Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by UMachine » 16 Nov 2015 20:05

wm wrote:This is because of British food. :) But I'm sure UMachine used it figuratively...
UMachine wrote:Sorry.The man was a POW in an unknown former concentration camp.He was a wss soldier.The British picked him up and shipped him to Nigeria,a camp for Italian pows.A death camp.
A soldier couldn't be sent to concentration camp as a prisoner. It's a war crime. The Germans didn't do that even to the Poles or the Polish Jews.
He had been stripped of his POW status and then sent to the camp. Or he simply was in a POW camp located near a concentration camp.

But still, in 1945 Italy was an ally of the British, so why the British weren't nice to that man. Something fishy here.

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Nothing fishy.Most of the Blackshirt types went over to the Germans.He only admitted to me that he was captured along with three others by Americans,in Germany.Wife told me it was a former concentration camp.The British administered the camps.
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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by UMachine » 16 Nov 2015 20:07

UMachine wrote:
4thskorpion wrote:
UMachine wrote:The British picked him up and shipped him to Nigeria,a camp for Italian pows. A death camp.
A death camp in NIgeria for Italian PoWs ?????
That is correct.A DEATH CAMP.

Italians that had joined the German army after Sept 43.

Soldiers were sent there to get sick and die.Simple.Don't feed them much.At night pack them together in wooden sheds.Thet get sick and die.

He survived despite malaria by eating bugs,escaped by his cunning and stole a boat.

Montgomery apparently mentioned an SS Island in a radio broadcast.My bet is that this was the place.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by 4thskorpion » 17 Nov 2015 09:19

UMachine wrote:
UMachine wrote:
4thskorpion wrote:
UMachine wrote:The British picked him up and shipped him to Nigeria,a camp for Italian pows. A death camp.
A death camp in NIgeria for Italian PoWs ?????
That is correct.A DEATH CAMP.

Italians that had joined the German army after Sept 43.

Soldiers were sent there to get sick and die.Simple.Don't feed them much.At night pack them together in wooden sheds.Thet get sick and die.

He survived despite malaria by eating bugs,escaped by his cunning and stole a boat.

Montgomery apparently mentioned an SS Island in a radio broadcast.My bet is that this was the place.
There is a difference between a PoW camp where prisoners died than a "death camp" where the sole purpose of that camp was one of extermination. I think the camp you mention was the former rather than the latter.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by UMachine » 17 Nov 2015 13:59

In any event,this was just to give some background on a soldier that some people may have felt deserved elimination.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by wm » 17 Nov 2015 14:19

The British POW camps were in Kenya and South Africa, there were none in Nigeria.
Many Blackshirts joined the Waffen-SS (Legione SS Italiana), those soldiers had no chance to escape to Germany - they all surrendered to US troops in Italy.
Unless he was a high ranking Blackshirt, didn't join anything, and was a civilian - so no POW camp for him.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by UMachine » 17 Nov 2015 14:29

He was a very experienced paratrooper and had lots of experience dealing with partisans wm.He ended up in that 500th ss parachute battalion along with about 25 other Italian paras.He was captured in Germany.

Do you feel the British have told everything about their camps?His next stop was worse,after getting sifted through the north African camps,by boat to Massawa,then to Forte Baldiserra in Asmara.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by 4thskorpion » 17 Nov 2015 16:30

UMachine wrote:He was a very experienced paratrooper and had lots of experience dealing with partisans wm.He ended up in that 500th ss parachute battalion along with about 25 other Italian paras.He was captured in Germany.

Do you feel the British have told everything about their camps?His next stop was worse,after getting sifted through the north African camps,by boat to Massawa,then to Forte Baldiserra in Asmara.

Maybe this should be the subject of a different thread as it has clearly nothing to do with suspected victims of "Jewish Death Squads".

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by UMachine » 17 Nov 2015 18:02

I agree.Simply providing background as to why Jewish avengers may have sought him....

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by little grey rabbit » 18 Nov 2015 00:56

UMachine wrote:I agree.Simply providing background as to why Jewish avengers may have sought him....
I'm getting confused here. Is the person part of the Italo-German 500th Parachute SS Battalion who was taken to a British death camp in Nigeria and escaped by boat the person who had the same name as the person the people with the funny accents were looking for. Or is he actually the person the people with the funny accents were looking for and the gentleman in Toronto just happened to have the same name as him.

If the 2nd case then how does Umachine know so many details unless he talked with the people with funny accents and they mysteriously decided to brief him?
wm, you should know hundreds of Allied PoWs were sent at Auschwitz!

Auschwitz was... a concentration camp. Yes...No?
They were sent to a POW located near the Buna complex. But it was bona-fide POW camp with Red Cross inspections and food parcels etc. If you committed a crime as a POW you could be sent to a KZ.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by UMachine » 18 Nov 2015 01:12

Sorry little grey rabbit,this wss soldier who was shipped to Nigeria had the same surname as the man approached in Toronto,they were first cousins,which is how he found out they (whoever with the thick accents) were looking for him.They did not have the same first name.My bet is these avengers got info from the immigration department.Former wss soldiers were allowed into Canada,there were many.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by little grey rabbit » 18 Nov 2015 01:39

UMachine wrote:Sorry little grey rabbit,this wss soldier who was shipped to Nigeria had the same surname as the man approached in Toronto,they were first cousins,which is how he found out they (whoever with the thick accents) were looking for him.They did not have the same first name.My bet is these avengers got info from the immigration department.Former wss soldiers were allowed into Canada,there were many.
Not getting any clearer. Because previously you said this
Nothing fishy.Most of the Blackshirt types went over to the Germans.He only admitted to me that he was captured along with three others by Americans,in Germany.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by UMachine » 18 Nov 2015 01:49

Yes,my understanding is virtually all of the paras came from the Blackshirt ranks.He was a jump trained commando,but that is not how he described himself.When he first started to get to know me,he described himself as such.
"I a Blackshirt".Not was a black shirt.A Blackshirt first,toasting Il Duce to the end.Wss army was just a gig.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by PF » 18 Nov 2015 16:52

Quenton Reynolds "MInister of DeatH" Written after Eichman capture-does confirm a squad going after Eichmann shot a SS NCO in hiding by mistake.
Incidently on a World War II special of the revenge squads--thye did give a number of those executed--about 33 alltogether.
Was Baurer invoved in the Final Solution? He must have-why else would he have been in hiding!

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by little grey rabbit » 19 Nov 2015 05:19

PF wrote:Quenton Reynolds "MInister of DeatH" Written after Eichman capture-does confirm a squad going after Eichmann shot a SS NCO in hiding by mistake.
Incidently on a World War II special of the revenge squads--thye did give a number of those executed--about 33 alltogether.
Quenton Reynolds' "confirmation" is only as useful as the source material it is based on. If the source material is unreliable it doesn't matter in how many secondary sources it is repeated.
At the moment it seems to come down to an Austrian newspaper article credited to "Reuters London", with no record of an English newspaper source or Reuters article that it was derived from. When something is credited with "Reuters, London", the implication is that the wire services have picked up a story from that location.
At the time it was suspected of being a fake story planted by Austrian Nazis to create the rumor Eichmann was dead. The lack of any documentary basis for the story would support that interpretation. Aside from trying to work out why "Reuters, London" would be more informed on such matters than the Austrian local authorities.

The point of this thread was try and create a firmer basis for the Death Squads over and above breathless claims in TV hagiographies. Did the TV special provide any identifiers of the other 32 alleged victims?
Was Baurer invoved in the Final Solution? He must have-why else would he have been in hiding!
We have yet to establish if
a) he exists
b) he was in hiding
c) he was killed
d) his killing was not for some more prosaic criminal motivation.

Other than that your logic is impeccable. A first name, a DOB, a place of death/burial, a police report and a service history would help resolve some of these outstanding issues.

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Re: Jewish Death Squads - suspected victims?

Post by 4thskorpion » 25 Nov 2015 09:36

Jewish partisan, Sara Fortis a prominent and well-respected figure in the andartes movement in Greece. By age 18, she was known as ‘Kapetenissa (Captain) Sarika’. The Nazis sent an informer to try to capture her, but mistakenly arrested - then brutally raped and murdered - her cousin, Medi. Vowing revenge, she tracked down and executed the informer.

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