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Eh just saw "Conspiracy" a movie about the final s

Post by FBerloff » 14 May 2003 19:49

And how it's was concieved the final solution, there was plenty of nazi officials but no hints of Hitler.
They established the politics on racial marriage and discrimination upon 1th 2nd and 3rd generation of racially "mixed".
Namely mostly with jewish people.
Strange nobody ever mentioned gypsies or gays or blacks.
There was only an obsession Jewish people.

I know that the base for this is the pre millenium (1000) "convert the jewish or kill them" idea, for the second coming of Jesus.

(ask Nostradamus his family had to convert or die).

This centuries old religious hate, can have gave roots to the holocaust with extreme indifference into some countries, if they aren't thinking like they do, kill them they are differents, based on this premise, that everyone had to be converted to christianism or be held accountable for it, easier to kill them than convert them.

But i see that other "major" ehm* sources of racial mixtures where totally discarded. Totally blinds to anything else.

*They are not my ideas, so i do not condone racial separation or racism
per se.

What do you think, why Hitler wasn't there, is Hitler the main cause of the holocaust or them with their reunion?

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Post by Caldric » 14 May 2003 21:15

Plausible Deniability is the reason Hitler was not in Hydrichs infamous Wannsse(sp) conference.

He separated himself from what was going on, but knew and approved all of it in secret.

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Post by Lobscouse » 15 May 2003 05:30

Plausible Deniabilty? Was he already thinking of a defence in some future need to account for his actions, such as Nurnberg?

There was one thing going on, later in the war, that he was fortunately ignorant of, and that was Admiral Doenitz's seaborne rescue of so many East Prussians.

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Post by Oderint Dvm Metvant » 15 May 2003 19:11

Like Heydrich says in the movie "It is important to know what words mean - but it is also important to know that in 1000 years history will use those words"
Plus, what is the point of Hitler being there? It was a conference to coordinate the beaurocracy (I cann ever spell that word correctly).

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Post by Karl » 17 May 2003 05:59

Why are there no ss runes present on any uniforms on my copy?

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Post by Karl » 19 May 2003 05:47

Well? Even with the vast knowledge pooled at this forum, no ideas?...do your versions feature runes or not?

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Post by Scott Smith » 19 May 2003 06:21

Most of the personnel are generals and therefore have the same insignia on both collar tabs. There is one major and one lieutenant colonel (Eichmann himself). I don't think Eichmann's branch wore runes. The other officer, I don't remember if his uniform had runes on it or not--probably so, because I didn't notice anything unusual. Everyone else wears either Party uniforms or civilian clothes.
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Post by Karl » 19 May 2003 06:45

Ah, Mr Scott Smith. How goes it in Arizona? A little late, isn't it?

I was more concerned about the adjutants, switchboard operator, etc…but Eichmann also. The curious thing in my version is that all right side collar patches are just black. That’s it.

Not quite what I was looking for but thank you for trying.

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Post by Caldric » 19 May 2003 07:44

I read the uniforms were very accurate, I do not know myself. The young soldiers outside I thought had Runes.

Anyway they did not hide anything in this move for political correctness, if Runes should have been there I suspect they would have.


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Post by Karl » 19 May 2003 08:00

Greetings Patriotic Caldric (I am saluting you right now…but really, it is an admirable trait and as it should be.).

I will have another look at the movie (it’s lent out and the guy :x hasn’t returned it yet.) later and return with further and more specific complaints, if any.

Cheers.
[sorry for the ot, can’t be helped.]

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Post by Caldric » 19 May 2003 08:05

Karl wrote:Greetings Patriotic Caldric (I am saluting you right now…but really, it is an admirable trait and as it should be.).

I will have another look at the movie (it’s lent out and the guy :x hasn’t returned it yet.) later and return with further and more specific complaints, if any.

Cheers.
[sorry for the ot, can’t be helped.]
Not sure what the first part of your message was about...

Also do not know what "ot" stands for either sorry.

Anyway take a look when Eichmann chews out the young guards out front for playing around or smoking or whatever they were doing. They may have had thier great coats on though can not remember.

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Post by Karl » 19 May 2003 08:17

The first part:
After reading your posts for what just about amounts to three years (is that possible?), I have gleaned (especially in the last 6-8 months) from them that you are very proud of your country, defend it remorselessly, and come across generally as very ‘right’. I meant no offence.

ot = off topic

And your last point, yes, I will have another look at the whole thing again and this time with paper and pencil at hand.

Cheers.

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Post by David Thompson » 19 May 2003 15:05

Karl -- Beginning with the outbreak of the war in Sept 1939 until some time after the Wannsee conference in 1942, the task of mass murder was usually administered by officers of the Reich Security Main Office (Reichssicherheitshauptamt - RSHA), commanded by Heydrich. Within that office, the task was frequently assigned to officers serving in the Security Police and Security Service (Sicherheitspolizei und Sicherheitsdienst - Sipo/SD). Personnel serving in the Sipo/SD, and holding the rank of or below that of Obersturmbannfuehrer (Lieutenant Colonel), wore a plain black patch, without SS runes and piped with silver wire thread, on the right collar. Rank was displayed on the left collar. (Mollo, Andrew, Uniforms of the SS vol. 5, Sicherheitsdienst und Sicherheitspolizei 1931-1945, Eindrow & Greene, London: 1992, p. 42).

Consequently, if the producers of the film wished to have uniforms which were historically accurate, those worn by members of the Sipo/SD holding a rank less than that of SS-Standartenfuehrer (full Colonel) would not have SS runes on their right collar. I hope this answers your question.

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Post by Caldric » 19 May 2003 17:14

Karl wrote:The first part:
After reading your posts for what just about amounts to three years (is that possible?), I have gleaned (especially in the last 6-8 months) from them that you are very proud of your country, defend it remorselessly, and come across generally as very ‘right’. I meant no offence.

ot = off topic

And your last point, yes, I will have another look at the whole thing again and this time with paper and pencil at hand.

Cheers.
Thanks for clearing it up, was not being snooty had to many beers with dinner last night I guess. :)

Yes you are correct, I do honestly try to reign in my zeal, sometimes it gets the best of me though. And I always try to be fair and admit when we are/were wrong....

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Post by Karl » 19 May 2003 23:43

David Thompson wrote:Karl -- Beginning with the outbreak of the war in Sept 1939 until some time after the Wannsee conference in 1942, the task of mass murder was usually administered by officers of the Reich Security Main Office (Reichssicherheitshauptamt - RSHA), commanded by Heydrich. Within that office, the task was frequently assigned to officers serving in the Security Police and Security Service (Sicherheitspolizei und Sicherheitsdienst - Sipo/SD). Personnel serving in the Sipo/SD, and holding the rank of or below that of Obersturmbannfuehrer (Lieutenant Colonel), wore a plain black patch, without SS runes and piped with silver wire thread, on the right collar. Rank was displayed on the left collar. (Mollo, Andrew, Uniforms of the SS vol. 5, Sicherheitsdienst und Sicherheitspolizei 1931-1945, Eindrow & Greene, London: 1992, p. 42).

Consequently, if the producers of the film wished to have uniforms which were historically accurate, those worn by members of the Sipo/SD holding a rank less than that of SS-Standartenfuehrer (full Colonel) would not have SS runes on their right collar. I hope this answers your question.
Excellent! Learn something new all the time.

My respect for that movie continues to grow with leaps and bounds.

Thank you!

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