Julius Streicher at Nürnberg Trials
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Julius Streicher at Nürnberg Trials
In my opion, I don't really understand how Streicher could have been sentenced to death at the Nürnberg trials.
He didn't have any real power, (In February 1940 he was even stripped of his party offices and withdrew from the public eye, although he was permitted to continue publishing Der Stürmer) and although his newspaper Der Stürmer was dispicable, it still can be considered to be Freedom of Press.
So, IMO the death sentence of Streicher is controversial. Any thoughts?
He didn't have any real power, (In February 1940 he was even stripped of his party offices and withdrew from the public eye, although he was permitted to continue publishing Der Stürmer) and although his newspaper Der Stürmer was dispicable, it still can be considered to be Freedom of Press.
So, IMO the death sentence of Streicher is controversial. Any thoughts?
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> it still can be considered to be Freedom of Press.
LOL.
LOL.
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Re: Julius Streicher at Nurnberg Trials
More Blackadder wisdom:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1#p2061051
"Now, my question is, isn't it about time, more than seventy years after the war, that we rehabilitate the Swastika and restore it into it's original use?"
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1726675
"I would like to point out that Mussolini was NOT a dictator"
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1#p2061051
"Now, my question is, isn't it about time, more than seventy years after the war, that we rehabilitate the Swastika and restore it into it's original use?"
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1726675
"I would like to point out that Mussolini was NOT a dictator"
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Re: Julius Streicher at Nurnberg Trials
Lol...Even historians like Ian Kershaw say that Mussolini wasn't a dictator. You can read it in his book "Turning points".Sergey Romanov wrote:More Blackadder wisdom:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1726675
"I would like to point out that Mussolini was NOT a dictator"
I find it funny how you actually believe Mussolini's own propaganda, where he claimed that he was a dictator, while it was the King of Italy who remained head of state.
People seem to forget that in 1943 Mussolini was simply removed from power and imprisoned by the King.
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Re: Julius Streicher at Nürnberg Trials
Besides, I'm not the only one who has questions regarding Streicher's death sentence at Nurnberg:
Those who criticize Streicher's sentence point out that 1) he was never a member of the Party political leadership, 2) there are no official orders signed by Streicher because he had no official positions, and 3) during the time period in which the Holocaust was actually taking place Streicher was under virtual house arrest and thus not a part of--or even aware of--what was going on in Germany or the concentration camps. It is further observed that 4) Streicher's counsel was inept and perhaps incompetent, and thus Streicher did not receive a fair trial.
Those who criticize Streicher's sentence point out that 1) he was never a member of the Party political leadership, 2) there are no official orders signed by Streicher because he had no official positions, and 3) during the time period in which the Holocaust was actually taking place Streicher was under virtual house arrest and thus not a part of--or even aware of--what was going on in Germany or the concentration camps. It is further observed that 4) Streicher's counsel was inept and perhaps incompetent, and thus Streicher did not receive a fair trial.
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So Stalin wasn't a dictator either?Blackadder2000 wrote:I find it funny how you actually believe Mussolini's own propaganda, where he claimed that he was a dictator, while it was the King of Italy who remained head of state.
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Stalin had absolute power, like Hitler.Christian Ankerstjerne wrote:So Stalin wasn't a dictator either?Blackadder2000 wrote:I find it funny how you actually believe Mussolini's own propaganda, where he claimed that he was a dictator, while it was the King of Italy who remained head of state.
Mussolini didn't. The King remained head of state.
It's even on wikipedia:
Unlike German Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini was officially only the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Italy. King Victor Emmanuel III remained Head of State and Commander-in-Chief of the Italian Royal Armed Forces. Hence, Mussolini needed the consent of the King (who always looked at France as the center of European politics) to declare war and enter the Second World War. Initially the King and his staff (conscious of the Italian lack of preparation to war) did not approve Mussolini's intentions, but when France was clearly defeated in June 1940, the Italian Royal Army (Regio Esercito) was abruptly sent to war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ita ... rld_War_II
I'm having doubts though. The situation in Italy was more like a "dual rule"
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Besides LOL and ROLF I haven't seen any arguments from you...Sergey Romanov wrote:ROFL.
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Re: Julius Streicher at Nürnberg Trials
Ok, after some further reading I admit I was wrong.
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Wrong about what?Blackadder2000 wrote:Ok, after some further reading I admit I was wrong.
Streicher?
Mussolini?
or that Sergey Romanov has no arguments?
Greetings from the Wide Brown.
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Mussolini.Max wrote:Wrong about what?Blackadder2000 wrote:Ok, after some further reading I admit I was wrong.
Streicher?
Mussolini?
or that Sergey Romanov has no arguments?
It was like a "dual rule", since King Victor Emmanuel III remained Head of State and Commander-in-Chief of the Italian Royal Armed Forces
Mussolini was a dictator, for example there was no freedom of press and there were no free elections.
On the other hand, Mussolini couldn't go to war without the king's approval.
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De jure power does not mean de facto power. It would not have been feasible for the Italian king to depose of Mussolini in 1940.
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Re: Julius Streicher at Nürnberg Trials
For readers interested in the reasons for Julius Streicher's death sentence see:
IMT judgment against Julius Streicher
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 416#240416
There is a five-page discussion there (at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27013) on the judgment. Unless someone has something new to add, the forum has a policy against redundant threads.
IMT judgment against Julius Streicher
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 416#240416
There is a five-page discussion there (at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27013) on the judgment. Unless someone has something new to add, the forum has a policy against redundant threads.