Was Hitler a supporter of Zionism in the early 1930s?

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Re: Was Hitler a supporter of Zionism in the early 1930s?

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Post by wm » 27 Apr 2017, 10:00

They said the Stalinist USSR was a social justice paradise but that was untrue, they murdered some people more than others...
As far as I know the single Jewish purge was partially spurred by the project in progress of some Soviet Jews to create a Jewish Autonomous Region (or maybe even a republic) in the already cleansed from its inhabitants Crimea.
Molotov's wife got her sentence for that for example. Still she stayed a hard-core Stalinist till her last days in the seventies...

gebhk wrote:Whether it is true or not, clearly AH did believe in a Jewish worldwide influence - I don't think that is in dispute. For the purposes of this discussion, that should be sufficient.
Actually there was nothing wrong in believing in a Jewish worldwide influence - it was a debatable thing, maybe academic even, depending on the very definition of "worldwide influence".
Hitler believed in a malicious global influence of a morally, socially, and even physically degenerated tribe of people called Jews. And that was something entire different.
Although if I'm not mistaken he called most of his enemies degenerates or subhumans.

BarKokhba wrote: Just because Jews owned retail stores in Poland does not mean they exerted some sort of political power there. Yours is an accusatory statement perpetuating the myth that Jewish political/economic domination (somewhere, anywhere) justified the rightist reactions leading to Jewish destruction. Your responses are dog whistle anti semitism.
I wrote they were "somewhat capable to influence politics in many countries but nowhere decisively" it's not the same as economic or political domination - it was local Jews pursuing their own local political agendas, not some sinister global strike Jewish force (although the push for their own country was universal and global). Jews who politically had nothing to offer because of their weaknesses.

But if you want examples:
- during the Versailles Peace Conference Polish nationalists (who represented Poland there), in a absolute critical for Poland moment, asked Polish Jewish leaders for support offering political concessions and long-term non-aggression pact with them as reward, after long deliberations the offer was refused,
- in 1923 a Jewish coalition of Polish minorities were able to decisively decide the outcome of Polish presidential elections (the electee was promptly murdered by a madman but that is another story),
- in 1925 a nationalist led government signed with the representation of Jewish deputies a pact, which promised concessions for support for their government,
- the long ruling Poland political group called Sanacja steadfastly supported one of the most influential Jewish political parties in Poland - the extreme right Agudat Yisrael, not because they liked men in black, but because believed Agudat Yisrael would firmly control Polish Jewry and deliver numerous, mostly local votes for Sanacja. For this they were paying with parliamentary seats.
Of course they badly needed those votes to combat their political enemies: nationalists, socialists, liberals and a few others. Polish and Polish Jewish politicians could have taught even the Washingtonian "swamp creatures" a few tricks.
The Polish Jews controlled local politics in three largest Polish cities, the second largest Łódź - decisively, in Warsaw - moderately (mostly because of the constant internecine political warfare that was going on among them there), in Kraków - moderately.

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