Andrew E. Mathis wrote: Scott Smith wrote:
David Thompson wrote:Scott -- I also believe that "what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." If you have some evidence that Nizkor is a "Hate-Site," or that Nizkor links posted here contain "Hate-Site materials," let's see it.
Nizkor promotes the Holocaust™ which is Hate propaganda against Germans of the WWII era, if not of Gentiles in general.
Oh, Jeez Louise...
Only if one thinks that all Germans were Nazis -- which I categorically deny -- and that this is still the case -- which I also categorically deny --
All Germans were Nazis unless they were traitors prior to May, 1945 when Unconditional Surrender was imposed. The P-51s strafing Germans pulling carts or the Soviets assaulting refugees did not discriminate by Party membership. Then denazification and reeducation was imposed by the Victors. The new-regime was carried far into the postwar order and even reunification issues; for example, the War-Guilt for one if not two world wars is crucial to the German problem and any Denial of it is seen as illegal, anti-Semitic, or worse in some circles. Nizkor claims that all Revisionists are neo-Nazis. They are hardly objective regarding Hitler as can be seen from their mission statement.
then can the Holocaust be seen as hate propaganda against Germans. I don't even begin to see how it's hate propaganda against Gentiles, considering that half the victims were Gentiles.
Half the victims of the war or half the victims of the Nazis? Only Nazi atrocities matter, which is a philo-Semitic view of the war, let alone European history since the Nazis did not invent the Communists. I have read a lot of Jewish periodicals, Andrew, and I know that the "ecumenical" view of the Holocaust is just a necessary evil to dodge the argument that I just made. All of Jewish history is a sacrament about trouble with Gentiles, who are the enemies of a Peculiar People in the sight of God. The first Genocide was the Assyrian in the eighth century BC, unless you can think of another. I don't care about any of that and find Christian Biblical Fundamentalism more offensive personally, but Jews just do not realize how grating "Waving the Bloody Shirt" is to Gentiles. Unbrainwashed Germans get positively livid about it. Mormons had the same Peculiar People mentality and that's why they were driven out of the Gentile lands to their own Zion. They reintegrated with a different attitude. I am not saying that any violence against minorities was justified. Ever. Not even before or during the war. But to understand you have to treat difficult problems dispationately and try to understand other viewpoints.
Their mission statement is to promote the Greuelpropaganda of the war and to attack those who would seek to revise that orthodoxy.
Untrue. Yehuda Bauer has done major revisionism in the field of Holocaust studies and he is not attacked.
Good for him. I doubt he will do any revisionism on the gaschambers, however. It took me over two years to drag Roberto to the logical position that the diesel gaschambers must have been diesel generators for camp power and that if engines were really used for execution they must have been gasoline motors instead. A simple point but one that was resisted with all fours. No orthodoxy? Sure. nizkor never gave him permission. Then Chuck started to obsess about Human Soap. Nizkor never said it was poppycock so it must be true.
Historical inquiry and orthodoxy goes together like mischief and darkness. Personally I don't care about Nizkor and what they believe, but if Hannover's forum or Revisionist sites are classed as Hate (except when Roberto links to them, it seems) then so is Nizkor.
False analogy. Sorry, pal.
I don't understand your point. Revisionist sites are suspect and are now banned for reference it seems unless Roberto links to them. Nizkor remains Kosher and has all the answers. I don't want either Hannover or Nizkor telling me what history is Kosher.