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10th process

Post by Stefano » 01 Aug 2003 16:03

Hello

According to Pier Arrigo Carnier, Lo sterminio mancato (who used Jugoslav sources, mainly newspaper articles from the time), the above-mentioned 10th process (July 1947) involved:

Friedrich Rainer (Oberster Kommissar Operationszone Adriatisches Kuestenland)
Helmut Glaser
Ludwig Kübler (commander 97. Armee-Korps)
Hans von Hoesslin (commander 188. Geb.Div.)
Heinrich Christl (commander Geb.Jg.Rgt. 904)
Hans Fleckner
Günther Neubert
Josef Vogt
Hermann Doujak
Franz Hradetzky
Walter Hochsteiner
Leon Kuss
Reinhold Gerlach
Franc Müller

All were sentenced to death except Doujak (18 years inprisonement) and Hradetzky (18 years).

Some interesting photos taken during the process are published in :

Dežman Jože / Elste Alfred et al.
Unter Hakenkreuz und Titostern / Med kljukastim križem in rdeco zvezdo

More info on this book under: http://www.mohorjeva.at/trgovina/csc_ar ... &saArticle[ID]=10&VID=Z3yvouOJVuXO7Rpz&jez=de&saSearch[word]=&saSearch[category]=3&saSearch[special]=


Has anyone any information on :
Zimmerman walter 1/10/97 standartenfuhrer
What role did he have in Jugoslavia during the war ?


Stefano

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Post by David Thompson » 01 Aug 2003 19:09

Stafano -- Thank you for the excellent, detailed and sourced information.

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Post by dylan » 02 Aug 2003 15:02

the list gives Zimmerman paul born 1/10/97 ss standartenfuhrer
but dienstalterlist gives only zimmerman paul born 2/7/95 ss brigadefuhrer
so his rank is wrong.
the hauptman and orskommendant in kragujevac ( serbia) 1941 is Zimmerman.

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Re: trials

Post by Phil Nix » 03 Aug 2003 09:47

dylan wrote:the list gives Zimmerman paul born 1/10/97 ss standartenfuhrer
but dienstalterlist gives only zimmerman paul born 2/7/95 ss brigadefuhrer
so his rank is wrong.
the hauptman and orskommendant in kragujevac ( serbia) 1941 is Zimmerman.

regards dylan

Paul Zimmermann SS BF 1.8.1940 born 2.7.1895 SS Nr 276856
Walter Zimmerman SS SF 20.4.1944 born 1.10.1897 SS Nr 59684
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Post by David Thompson » 05 Aug 2003 01:48

Thanks philmil!

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Which Zimmerman?

Post by Researcher » 05 Aug 2003 19:43

OK, so which of the Zimmermans was tried and convicted in Yugoslavia, Paul or Walter?

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Post by dylan » 05 Aug 2003 21:58

Zimmerman paul is the man on the list.

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Post by Researcher » 06 Aug 2003 20:02

Hi Dylan

your list shows : Zimmerman Walter 1/10/97 standartenfuhrer - How come you now say the name on the list is Zimmerman Paul?

Philmil

Help - I knew I shouldn't have started on the Chardonnay before coming on line

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Post by dylan » 06 Aug 2003 22:17

Hi Researcher

number 13 : Zimmerman paul 1/10/97 ss standartenfuhrer.

dienstalterlist
Zimmerman paul 2/7/95 ss brigadefuhrer
Zimmerman walter 1/10/97 ss standartenfuhrer.

What is wrong on kaltenegger's list ?
I think his first name. must be walter or his birthday and rank is wrong.

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Post by Lovre » 28 Aug 2003 09:33

pennywise wrote:During and after the WW2 jugoslavians terrorised today's macedonian people, because... they told "we are not jugoslavians, we are bulgarians". Macedonia was brutally taken from Bulgaria, dividing families, brother from brother, mother from child...
Is this a crime of just like walking in the park?


Pennywise, you must be joking. Macedonian people are not Bulgarians, they never been and they never will be. Bulgarian Army terrorised Macedonians and Serbs during WWII and commited a huge number of war crimes in eastern part of Serbia and in Macedonia.

Just prior to and during the early years of Second World War, the monarchist-fascist regime of Tsar Boris the IIIrd and the governments of Kioseivanov and especially of B. Filov (1940-1944) carried-out policies friendly to Nazi Germany; consequently, these policies led to a military alliance with Third Reich and resulted in reducing Bulgaria to a status of a Hitlerite dependency. On 01/03/1941 Bulgaria acceded to the Axis Tri-Partite Treaty, according to which Bulgaria permitted the use of its naval facilities, air bases, and rail lines by the German armed forces. German forces entered the country on 02/03/1941, and used it as a staging base for their invasions of Jugoslavia and Greece. In April of 1941 Bulgaria was awarded almost entire Jugoslav Macedonia, as well as Aegean and Vardarian Thrace and extreme south-eastern section of Serbia. Bulgaria also co-participated in the occupation of the remainder of Serbia (until September of 1944), while some Bulgarian units were dispatched to Bosnia-Hercegovina for anti-partisan operations. In Macedonia a brutal policy of complete Bulgarization was constantly implemented.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 02 Sep 2003 10:36

I don't know if this info were already posted, soo if they were - I'm SORRY!

Erwin Rösener - on 29.8.1946 sentenced to death by hanging - EXE 4.9.1946

Josef Vogt - on 19.7.1947 sentenced to death by hanging
Reinhold Gerlach - sentenced to death by hanging
Franz Müller - sentenced to death by hanging
Dr. Helmuth Glaser - sentenced to death by firing-squad
All these 4 were probably EXE on 18.8.1947

Otto Lurker and Paul Duscha were sentenced to death by hanging on 20.1.1949.

On 21.7.1947 were Kurt Stage, Georg Krammhöller, Sepp Zangel, Franz Wiegel, Hugo Gayd and Boško Lazić sentenced to death.

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Post by dylan » 09 Sep 2003 19:19

Hi

Some information about defendants.

Wiegele and Zangl members gestapo maribor
Gajda police kommisar maribor.
Krammholler chief gestapo Cilli Celje ( joeg ).

regards dylan

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 09 Sep 2003 19:58

Franz Müller, member of Gestapo in Ljubljana and Litija.
Boško Lazić, before the war Yugoslav policeman in Celje, escaped to Austria in 1940, member of Gestapo in Celje.

Emil Vogel, member of Gestapo from Brežice and Hermann Farnleitner, Gestapo member from Ptuj were also senteced to death.

BTW. During the war only ONE (1) SD or Gestapo Offizier was KIA in Slovenia - SS-Ustuf. Siegfried Presuhn.

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Re: 10th process

Post by Orok » 23 Sep 2003 19:17

Stefano wrote:According to Pier Arrigo Carnier, Lo sterminio mancato (who used Jugoslav sources, mainly newspaper articles from the time), the above-mentioned 10th process (July 1947) involved:

Friedrich Rainer (Oberster Kommissar Operationszone Adriatisches Kuestenland)
Helmut Glaser
Ludwig Kübler (commander 97. Armee-Korps)
Hans von Hoesslin (commander 188. Geb.Div.)
Heinrich Christl (commander Geb.Jg.Rgt. 904)
Hans Fleckner
Günther Neubert
Josef Vogt
Hermann Doujak
Franz Hradetzky
Walter Hochsteiner
Leon Kuss
Reinhold Gerlach
Franc Müller

All were sentenced to death except Doujak (18 years inprisonement) and Hradetzky (18 years).

Stefano


Why were these two spared. Was that because they were the only people having Slavic surnames on the list? :lol:

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Post by David Thompson » 24 Sep 2003 03:58

The US government recently declassified some documents on this subject from the Army Counter-Intelligence Corps (CIC), which I have not seen, but which are now available for viewing at the US National Archives:

NARA | IWG | Declassified Documents: Record Group 319: CIC: IRR Case Files: Impersonal Files 1940-1976
Records of the Army Staff (Record Group 319)
Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) Collection
Records of the Investigatory Records Repository (IRR)
IRR Case Files: Impersonal Files 1940-1976
BOX 34 Declassified File No. File Name
NND 871005 no number Extradition of Former German Officers to Poland November 1947-December 1948

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