You keep avoiding the question what kind of evidence is enough for you to be convinced that Holocaust happened .
Your pattern approach is to ask an ambiguous question for the sake of it's very ambiguity and then when answered directly become silent for a while .Then to show up just to shoot another ambiguous Bull with the air of profound philosophizing ..
So Erik "How convincing or effective is this approach to a discussion of historical problems"
Does this kind of "approach " deserve a ridicule ?
I am already convinced that the Holocaust happened. I am convinced that the bombing of Dresden took place, too. And WW2. And that the Earth is round, for that matter.
But there are a lot of why’s and what’s and how’s to all those different convictions.
If those interrogative adverbs happen to shoot some “ambiguous Bull”, then it may depend on “whose ox is being gored”, as the saying goes.
Only the knower knows the answer.
If the why’s and what’s and how’s get ambiguous answers with the air of profound knowledge, then perhaps the approach deserves some ridicule.
The ambiguities abound in human history. Airs of profound knowledge, too. The “bull” and the “gored ox” are different aspects of the same body of evidence to this.
Xanthro wrote on another thread:
Scott Smith wrote:
I imagine that accidental CO poisonings were quite common with Holzgas conversions, hence the gas-van or murder-van legend.
If you want to prove something is a legend or myth, then you need evidence. Since numerous people have confessed to killing people in the vans, since numerous documentary evidence exists substiating their existence, since numerous eye witnessesed have testified to seeing them used, your simple assertions hold no weight.
If people were to accept the Scott Smith standard of evidence and argumentation, no historical fact would be left standing. I can argue that any historical fact is a lie and conspiracy and that something else happened, especially when I argue that the conspiracy is so vast and perfect as to leave no trace of itself.
No parody is needed. Just relish the ambiguities!
Erik I really appreciate that you get to the point of knowing "that the Earth is round, for that matter " This is quite a progress. Now how have you arrived to this knowledge Erik ?
What kind of the ultimate evidence convinced you that this knowledge is correct ?
What is your criterion according to which you accept an evidence on behalf of some fact ?
If to leave out your favorite ambigious questions?
Let me tell you my point of view
on this matter .
I think that there is no criterion . There is no more rationality in Democracy then in Fascism . There is no more ( and I suspect even less )
in the Christian concept of mercy then in the Social Darwinism.
That 's true that everything depends on whose bull is being gored.
Even talking from the point of view of the Social Darwinism there could be several positions you could assume according to your desire and all of them would have some ratonal foundation.
For example you can assume the position of Julious Streicher declaring Jews to be parasites and poisonous mushrooms as very well illustrated by the posted by Smith picture from the Sturmer.
Or you can assume the Zionist position and tell that since Jewish IQ in average is above of
the same of the other ethnic groups it is the Jews who sholud be considered as
kind of bringers of various joys to humanity.
Both positions are based on some principles
of Social Darwinism.
For me this kind of "rationality" is disgusting .
And even if from the rational point of view the position embracing Christian mercy is much less acceptable plus right away I would be pointed out to the phenomena of Inquisition etc this is my position .
There is no some kind of abstrct and cold objectivity Erik . You choose what is close to your heart.
And no matter what the arguments would be if you love AH no argument ,no evidence would dissuade you from your love.
So whatever position one doesn't accept one can always confront
with all kind of ambigous questions.
Obviously the more obscure these questions are the better.
More profound air from nowhere.