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Julius Streicher

Post by IronGuard » 18 Jul 2003 22:15

I havent read that much about Streicher, just that he was the producer of "Der Stürmer".
Why was he sentenced to death in Nuremberg? Just because of a newspaper?
When I read "Goring - a biography" and "Goebbels - a biography" I got the feeling Streicher was disliked by most of the other top men, is this true?
How was Hitlers view on Streicher?

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Re: Julius Streicher

Post by Roderick » 18 Jul 2003 22:35

IronGuard wrote:I havent read that much about Streicher, just that he was the producer of "Der Stürmer".
Why was he sentenced to death in Nuremberg? Just because of a newspaper?
When I read "Goring - a biography" and "Goebbels - a biography" I got the feeling Streicher was disliked by most of the other top men, is this true?
How was Hitlers view on Streicher?



JULIUS STREICHER WAS SENTENCED TO DEATH DUE TO HIS IDEAS ANTI-JEWISH.
ONLY DUE TO HIS IDEAS.
NO REAL PROOF WAS SHOWED.
YOU KNOW MY FRIEND: THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL!

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Post by IronGuard » 18 Jul 2003 22:40

Ok, thanks for your info, seems very sick to be judged by your beliefs. There are similar laws now, but no deathsentences. Not yet anyway.
And, yes I know, the winner takes it all. The winner also writes the history.

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Post by Xanthro » 18 Jul 2003 22:46

The question of Julius Streicher capital sentence is whether or not someone has to pull the trigger to be guilty of murder.

What Streicher did isn't simply how Jew Hating beliefs, but use his position of power to advocate the destruction of a people.

It's one thing to privately think, "All Jews should burn in ovens" it's another to publish "All Jews should burn in ovens" and lobby the government to carry out such actions.

The man was directly responsible for much of the Jew hating climate in the Third Reich. A climate that led to the deaths of millions, and a climate that Streicher was happen to help create.

Streicher is as guilty of murder as those who simply signed deaths warrants or facilitated murder without actually pulling the trigger or releasing the gas.

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Post by Roderick » 18 Jul 2003 23:05

Xanthro wrote:
"All Jews should burn in ovens" it's another to publish "All Jews should burn in ovens" and lobby the government to carry out such actions.
Xanthro


JUST COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS.
I DO NOT AGREE MY FRIEND.
HOW CAN YOU SENTENCE FOR DEATH A MAN DUE TO ONLY HIS CONVICTIONS?
NO WAY!.

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Post by IronGuard » 18 Jul 2003 23:11

It's one thing to privately think, "All Jews should burn in ovens" it's another to publish "All Jews should burn in ovens" and lobby the government to carry out such actions.

Yes, but did Der Stürmer ever produced something like you have mentioned above? That "all jews should burn in ovens"? The very little I know about the Nuremberg "trial" is that they showed Der Stürmer as evidence and citated: "All jews are theives and hypocrites" or something like that, but NEVER talked about "gasing the jews" or send them into "ovens".
There are pretty big differences in claiming that someone is a theif and saying that the same person should be gased.

Streicher himself claimed (according to my knowledge) Not Guilty to racial hatred because that the statement in Der Stürmer was "simply a base of fact".

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Post by Xanthro » 18 Jul 2003 23:14

Roderick wrote:
Xanthro wrote:
"All Jews should burn in ovens" it's another to publish "All Jews should burn in ovens" and lobby the government to carry out such actions.
Xanthro


JUST COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS.
I DO NOT AGREE MY FRIEND.
HOW CAN YOU SENTENCE FOR DEATH A MAN DUE TO ONLY HIS CONVICTIONS?
NO WAY!.

RODERICK :|


Because it's not based on his convictions.

It's based on his ACTIONS. There is a world of difference.

If someone make a website, says the following people should be killed, then provides personal information about how to find that person, you can't claim as a defense, I'm only expressing my personal belief.

You don't get to advocate murder and claim innocence.

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Post by Roderick » 18 Jul 2003 23:41

DEAR XANTHRO,

TO END MY OPNIONS ON THIS TOPIC, WHAT I REALLY WANNA TO SAY IS THAT NOTHING SHOWED IN NUREMBERG ABOUT JULIUS STREICHER JUSTIFIED A DEATH SENTENCE.

REGARDS,

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Post by IronGuard » 18 Jul 2003 23:55

Xanthro:

Plz respond to my message.

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Post by Xanthro » 19 Jul 2003 00:09

IronGuard wrote:It's one thing to privately think, "All Jews should burn in ovens" it's another to publish "All Jews should burn in ovens" and lobby the government to carry out such actions.

Yes, but did Der Stürmer ever produced something like you have mentioned above? That "all jews should burn in ovens"? The very little I know about the Nuremberg "trial" is that they showed Der Stürmer as evidence and citated: "All jews are theives and hypocrites" or something like that, but NEVER talked about "gasing the jews" or send them into "ovens".
There are pretty big differences in claiming that someone is a theif and saying that the same person should be gased.

Streicher himself claimed (according to my knowledge) Not Guilty to racial hatred because that the statement in Der Stürmer was "simply a base of fact".



Remember he was an SA and Nazi official, and he was the person in charge of the 1933 Jewish Boycott, and official government persecution.

As to his asking for Jews to be killed, this was as early as 1925.
Emphasis mine.

You must realize that the Jew wants our people to perish. That is why you must join us and leave those who have brought you nothing but war, inflation, and discord. For thousandsof years the Jew has been destroying the nations. Let us make a new beginning today so that we can annihilate the Jews


A parasite, an enemy, an evil-doer, a disseminator of diseases who must be destroyed in the interest of mankind

Demonization of Jews

Jewry wanted this battle. It shall have it until it realizes that the Germany of the brown battalions is not a country of cowardice and surrender. Jewry will have to fight until we have won victory.
"National Socialists! Defeat the enemy of the world. Even if the world is full of devils, we shall succeed in the end."


Do you think this is true. That Jews are space aliens?

It is established for all eternity; alien albumen is the sperm of a man of alien race. The male sperm in cohabitation is partially or completely absorbed by the female, and thus enters her bloodstream. One single cohabitation of a Jew with an Aryan woman is sufficient to poison her blood forever. Together with the alien albumen she has absorbed the alien soul. Never again will she be able to bear purely Aryan children, even when married to an Aryan. They will all be bastards, with a dual soul and a body of a mixed breed. Their children will also be crossbreeds; that means, ugly people of unsteady character and with a tendency to illnesses. Now we know vthy the Jew uses every artifice of seduction in order to ravish German girls at as early an age as possible ; why the Jewish doctor rapes his patients while they were under anaesthetic. He wants the German girl and the German woman to absorb the alien sperm of the Jew. She is never again to bear German children. But the blood products of all animals right down to the bacteria like the serum, lymph, extracts from internal organs etc., are all alien albumen. They have a poisonous effect if directly introduced into the blood stream either by vaccination or by injection. By these products of sick animals the blood is ravished, the Aryan is impregnated with an alien species. The author and abettor of such action is the Jew. He has been aware of the secrets of the race question for centuries, and therefore plans systematically the annihilation of the nations which are superior to him. Science and authorities are his instruments for the enforcing o f pseudo-science and the concealment of truth


How about some more let's kill the Jewish devils.

The 'Stuermer's' 15 years of work of enlightenment has already led an army of those who know-millions strong-to National Socialism. The continued work of the 'Stuermer' will help to ensure that every German down to the last man will, with heart and hand, join the ranks of those whose aim it is to crush the head of the serpent Pan-Juda beneath their heels. He who helps to bring this about helps to eliminate the devil, and this devil is the Jew


He bragged about the destrution of Jews in 1943

It is really the truth that the Jews, so to speak, have disappeared from Europe and that the Jewish reservoir of the East, from which the Jewish plague has for centuries beset the peoples of Europe, has ceased to exist. However, the Fuehrer of the German people at the beginning of the war prophesied what has now come to pass.


He also personally took part in the destruction of Jewish temples in 1938 and helped move Jews to prison camps, so he could have their homes stolen.

I could post pages and pages of the sick mans incitement to hatred.

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Post by Xanthro » 19 Jul 2003 00:11

Roderick wrote:DEAR XANTHRO,

TO END MY OPNIONS ON THIS TOPIC, WHAT I REALLY WANNA TO SAY IS THAT NOTHING SHOWED IN NUREMBERG ABOUT JULIUS STREICHER JUSTIFIED A DEATH SENTENCE.

REGARDS,

RODERICK


Since it's plain you haven't actually read the evidence against him, your opinion is worthless.

There is more than enough to warrant a death sentence.

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Post by Xanthro » 19 Jul 2003 00:41

Remember, two others were charged with inciting violence against Jews, Hans Fritzsche and Hjalmar Schacht, both were aquitted, though both did in fact engage in anti-Jewish propoganda.

They held the same beliefs as Streicher, but were aquitted, not because their beliefs differed, but because their actions did.

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Post by IronGuard » 19 Jul 2003 00:49

Because I am not allowed to discuss the Holocaust I cannot answer on some of your questions.
But I´ll try a few.
Demonization of Jews

The germans was not alone in demonization of groups. Just look at how US demonilized Iraq and Iraq against US.
US is the devil and we must destroy the devil is Usama Bin Ladens words.

By saying "destroy the devil" doesnt necessarily means KILL the "devil".
Christians says we must "destroy the devil". With "the devil" they mean satanists, alcoholic, drugs etc etc. They dont mean that we should kill every satanist, every alcoholic or every druggie.

Do you think this is true. That Jews are space aliens?

Hehe ofcourse I dont. But with alien I suppose he means foreigner?

I could post pages and pages of the sick mans incitement to hatred.

Hehe yepp, but the question is not wether he was sick or not. But if he really should have had the death penalty.
I think that in Nuremberg trial the allies unleashed all of their anger over the prisoners. It doesnt matter if they were innocent or not, they were judged long before the trial started.
Just look at the "prisoner of peace", Rudolf Hess, who was sentenced lifetime in prison.

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Post by IronGuard » 19 Jul 2003 00:52

They held the same beliefs as Streicher, but were aquitted, not because their beliefs differed, but because their actions did.

With "aquitted" do you mean that they were found not guilty?
They were probably sawn as "little fishes". The big fishes were all found guilty even if they were guilty or not.

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Post by Xanthro » 19 Jul 2003 01:01

IronGuard wrote:Because I am not allowed to discuss the Holocaust I cannot answer on some of your questions.
But I´ll try a few.


You can discuss the Holocaust, you can't deny the Holocaust.


Demonization of Jews

The germans was not alone in demonization of groups. Just look at how US demonilized Iraq and Iraq against US.
US is the devil and we must destroy the devil is Usama Bin Ladens words.

By saying "destroy the devil" doesnt necessarily means KILL the "devil".
Christians says we must "destroy the devil". With "the devil" they mean satanists, alcoholic, drugs etc etc. They dont mean that we should kill every satanist, every alcoholic or every druggie.


When paired with annihilate, and crush their heads, destroy means kill. There simply aren't many ways to argue that exterminate means something else.

Do you think this is true. That Jews are space aliens?

Hehe ofcourse I dont. But with alien I suppose he means foreigner?


No, it couldn't mean foreigner and it's inane for you to even imply such a thing. How could being a foreigner infect your bloodstream? Streicher is arguing that Jews aren't human, that any contact with these non-humans would forever taint you.


I could post pages and pages of the sick mans incitement to hatred.

Hehe yepp, but the question is not wether he was sick or not. But if he really should have had the death penalty.


Yes, he should have. He not only used positions of authority to incite hatred and violence, he directly participated in these actions.

I think that in Nuremberg trial the allies unleashed all of their anger over the prisoners. It doesnt matter if they were innocent or not, they were judged long before the trial started.


And I think you are the typical Holocaust denier Nazi wannabe. If all were pre-judged, then none would have been aquitted, but they were.

Just look at the "prisoner of peace", Rudolf Hess, who was sentenced lifetime in prison.


Prisoner of peace? What kind of Nazi self love fest have you been attending?

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