European Jewish Communites Shoah Then Arab Jewish Communites Judenfrei NOW

[wm]

Which just proves that 'things were better when I were a lad' (along with complaining about 'the youth of today ') are probably as old as humanity .

He rather meant the fragility of life, plagues, wars, and contemporary politics with dead bodies left and right - after all, he was forced to commit suicide himself.

[gebhk]

Hi WM

Good point. However, it is difficult not to point out that inventions such as plumbing and sewerage had a marked beneficial impact on the fragility of life and plagues, while inventions in general contributed to wealth and therefore had an indirect but calming effect on wars and politics.

[gebhk]

Hi WM

The Talmud creates a second layer of defense that tries to prevent even the possibility of an unauthorized situation from happening.

Given that sexual abuse (homosexual or otherwise), paedophilia etc happen vastly more frequently within the family and nearest community (in that order), it's not much of a defense I would suggest. Seems far more like the usual racist/religionist c..p - 'all Gentiles are sexual deviants', 'Jews sacrifice Christian babies', 'all Greeks are homosexuals' etc etc etc. The aim, I would suggest, is more about reinforcing group solidarity and cohesion by inventing external threats, than it is about the prevention of 'unauthorised behaviour'.

[DavidFrankenberg]

Algeria 0 Judenfrei

The Jews of Algeria were French citizens, and thus had the same status as the European settlers in the country. They had been given French citizenship in 1870 under the Cremieux Decree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9mieux_Decree

When Algeria gained its independence in 1962, all French Citizens living in the country were declared to be illegal aliens subject to deportation, and were required to leave. Thus, thus the Jews of Algeria were not expelled as Jews, but as French citizens without right of residence. Most of them immigrated to France.

Thousands of Frenchs stayed in Algeria in 1962.
Many were communists or big colonists with accointances with FLN.
Many jews stayed too.
But most of the communities fled to France of course.

Indeed, these remnants fled the country during the 60's. The socialist experience in Algeria ended pretty quick in 1965. The régime hardened. And Frenchs and jews were not welcomed longer.
Some hundreds stayed until the 90's and the civil war (200.000 deaths).
Some stayed yet... but very few...
Today, some French jews come back in Algeria to visit the place of their origins, but just for tourism, not for living. Algeria welcome their money. But this kind of tourism is still very weak...

*Turkey (80,000 in 1948 went to 15,000 in 2020 drop of 65%)

That simply suggest that the Jews emigrated voluntarily, not that they were expelled.

Lebanon 27 to 20 [50% loss from population of 40 in 2006 ]

That suggests voluntary emigration rather than expulsion.

This equates an expulsion de facto.

Morrocco had 2,250 in 2020

Which means that Morocco is not actively trying to destroy its remaining Jewish population.

Indeed there is no more jews in Morocco. They were like 200.000 in the 50's... the community totally emigrated to France and Israel or elsewhere in the 60 and 70's.

The 2,250 you see are just wealthy jewish foreigners (binational) who have a big house in Marrakech or Agadir... they are more international than moroccan.

Tunisia 1,050 in 2020

Which means that Tunisia is not actively trying to destroy its remaining Jewish population.

Same observation for Morocco.

Your comparison of the emigration of Jews from Muslim countries with the physical destruction of the Jews of Europe during the Second World War is thus totally mendacious.

Well, de facto, it led to the same situation.

[Loïc]

The nonsense polemical use of the word "Judenfrei" in this part of the forum dedicated to Holocaust & 20th century War Crimes suggests
first, the arab countries more "Ethiopia" "Turkey" "Iran" etc have perpetrated something similar to the SHOAH and exterminated them
second, it is completely trivializing, relativizing, devaluing the meaning of the words like this one "Judenfrei" coming from the german in the historical context of the genocide of the Jews throughout WWII extended to post-WWII emigration towards Israël France and North America

What is next, open an other thread to write that London's suburbs, Seine-Saint Denis Roubaix-Tourcoing and Brussels-Molenbeek are «judenfrei»?!

the words have meaning

Judenfrei Wikipedia
The depopulation of the Jewish communities from Arab and Muslim countries of the Middle East and North Africa was described as the result of an effort to make these countries judenrein or judenfrei. Dr. Peter Schotten wrote on the matter, saying "Arab states responded ruthlessly to the lost war and to the newly displaced Arab refugees by undertaking systematic and bold oppressive measures against their Jewish citizens. Their citizenship was stripped, arrests and detentions took place, religious restrictions were imposed, freedom of movement was curtailed, assets were frozen and property seized, employment opportunities were closed off and Zionism was criminalized."[24] Lyn Julius wrote in the Jewish Journal, "Only three years after the end of World War II, the members of the Arab League were bent on emulating the Nazis. They set about making the Arab Middle East judenrein (free of Jews). They applied Nuremberg-style laws, criminalizing Zionism, freezing Jewish bank accounts, instituting quotas, imposing restrictions on jobs and movement. The result was the mass exodus and spoliation of a million Jews.

french-speaking "wikipédia"
Judenfrei [ˈjuːdn̩ˌfʁaɪ] est un terme allemand employé sous le Troisième Reich, pendant la Shoah, pour signifier qu'un endroit est « libre de Juifs », par exécution ou par déportation.

L'adjectif judenrein [ˈjuːdn̩ˌʁaɪn], d'un sens comparable, a une résonance plus forte : il veut dire qu'une ville ou un pays, dans l'Europe sous domination nazie, est « nettoyé de ses Juifs ».

Ainsi le Luxembourg est-il déclaré judenfrei par la propagande nazie le 17 octobre 1941, tout comme le territoire de Babrouïsk trois semaines plus tard, après les massacres et la liquidation du ghetto au mois de novembre. L'Alsace et la ville de Berlin sont quant à elles déclarées judenrein.

Origine
Cette terminologie apparaît pour la première fois à la fin du xixe siècle sous la plume du pamphlétaire antisémite Theodor Fritsch, fondateur du Germanenorden, qui prône l'avènement d'une Allemagne « sans Juifs ».

Lieux déclarés judenfrei ou judenrein

Gelnhausen (Allemagne), judenfrei le 1er novembre 1938, après la fermeture de la synagogue et l'expulsion de la communauté juive.
Bydgoszcz (Pologne), judenfrei en décembre 1939.
L'Alsace, déclarée judenrein par le Gauleiter Robert Wagner en juillet 1940.
Le territoire de Voïvodine, judenfrei le 19 août 1941.
Le Luxembourg, judenfrei le 17 octobre 19411.
L'Estonie, judenfrei en décembre 1941-janvier 1942.
La Serbie, judenfrei en mai 1942.
Vienne, déclarée judenfrei par Alois Brunner le 9 octobre 1942.
Berlin, judenrein le 19 mai 1943.
Thessalonique, judenrein en août 1943.
Erlangen (Allemagne), judenfrei en 1944.

spanish-speaking "wikipédia"
Judenfrei
Judenfrei (en idioma alemán, "libre de judíos") era un término empleado en la Alemania Nazi para designar un área libre de presencia judía.

Mientras que Judenfrei se refería meramente a un área libre de la presencia de ciudadanos judíos, también se empleaba en ocasiones el término Judenrein (literalmente, "limpio de judíos"). Este término tenía la connotación más fuerte de que toda traza de sangre judía había sido purgada.

Lugares declarados Judenfrei
Durante el "Holocausto", lugares, pueblos, ciudades y regiones fueron declarados Judenfrei.

Gelnhausen, Alemania – declarada Judenfrei el 1 de noviembre de 1938 por el diario propagandístico Kinzigwacht después de que su sinagoga fuera cerrada y los judíos locales restantes fueran forzados a abandonar la ciudad.1
Luxemburgo durante la ocupación alemana – declarado Judenfrei por la prensa el 17 de octubre de 1941.
Estonia durante la ocupación alemana– diciembre de 1941. Declarada Judenfrei en la Conferencia de Wannsee el 20 de enero de 1942.​
Serbia/Belgrado durante la ocupación alemana – declarada Judenfrei en agosto de 1942
Viena – declarada Judenfrei por Alois Brunner el 9 de octubre de 1942
Berlín – declarada Judenfrei el 19 de mayo de 1943​

[LAstryAGAIN]

Population statistics dont lie....Jewish Communites in Arab/Muslin/African/Asian countries are dying....
https://merrimackvalleyhavurah.files.wo ... ansing.gif
ALSO SEE jEWISH pOPULATION STATS UNDER HEADING Must wATCH AT RIGHT
https://www.jewishrefugees.org.uk/

aCCORDING TO oFFICAL RECORDS 856,000 jEWS HAVE FLED Arab Lands
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/ ... arab-lands

as FOR THE jEWS OF THE wEST....58% jEWS IN usa iNTERMARRIAGE.....cULTURAL ASSIMILATION.....WONT DIE OUT jUST FADE AWAY

aT THIS RATE EXCEPT FOR A FEW SCATTERED COMMUNITES THROUGOUT THE wORLD..
jEWS WILL ONLY BE A MEMORY IN Europe,,,,and many Arab/Muslin countries... Only Israel will show an increase in Jewish Population

[gebhk]

I don't think anyone is saying that the disappearance of traditional Jewish communities world-wide isn't happening. However to equate this enormously complex process with the Shoah is grotesque and I have to agree with Loic that using a word that has specific and tragic meaning inappropriately, simply devalues it.

[Ivan Ž.]

Population statistics dont lie....Jewish Communites in Arab/Muslin/African/Asian countries are dying....
https://merrimackvalleyhavurah.files.wo ... ansing.gif
ALSO SEE jEWISH pOPULATION STATS UNDER HEADING Must wATCH AT RIGHT
https://www.jewishrefugees.org.uk/

aCCORDING TO oFFICAL RECORDS 856,000 jEWS HAVE FLED Arab Lands
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/ ... arab-lands

as FOR THE jEWS OF THE wEST....58% jEWS IN usa iNTERMARRIAGE.....cULTURAL ASSIMILATION.....WONT DIE OUT jUST FADE AWAY

aT THIS RATE EXCEPT FOR A FEW SCATTERED COMMUNITES THROUGOUT THE wORLD..
jEWS WILL ONLY BE A MEMORY IN Europe,,,,and many Arab/Muslin countries... Only Israel will show an increase in Jewish Population

Please try writing properly. This forum's language is English and that is no English. Don't be lazy and unnecessary sloppy.

Cheers,
Ivan

[wm]

Among the Jews, the conspiracy theory that the Christians wanted to exteriminate Jews or alternative the Europeans is basically mainstream.

[michael mills]

About 40% of the World Jewish population lives in the United States, where they constitute a disproportionately influential social group. Why would any member of that group want to leave it, to become just another member of a rapidly declining segment of the US population?

[Jan-Hendrik]

Why this spammer is still not banned? He and comrade ColGary are adding nothing to AHF, they just quibling around, posting nonese links or starting nearly nonsensical topics!

Jan-Hendrik

[CogCalgary]

Why this spammer is still not banned? He and comrade ColGary are adding nothing to AHF, they just quibling around, posting nonese links or starting nearly nonsensical topics!

Jan-Hendrik

Then read the last post where you also started this nonsense Einstein.

[David Thompson]

Let's get back on topic.

[LAstryAGAIN]

Hitler and saudi Arabia
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2013-11- ... res-hitler...

[CogCalgary]

Bad link.404.