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"Note that Holocaust Denial is not allowed." (OK;

Post by Ian » 16 Mar 2002 20:16

...But could some [appropriately authoritarian] persona kindly clue me in ... as to what... concisely... this [evidently opprobrious] term must actually be understood to mean?) I suppose that to understand what is here defined as "denial" it would be equally essential to learn exactly what (as concisely as possible) is meant by the term "Holocaust."

Forgive this sinner if you will for asking this which might appear heretical or at least painfully obvious to everybody else... but I've not personally ever even heard of a single soul who [seriously] 'denies' that the events of WWII were NOT a "holocaust" (ie, a great tragedy) for the vast majority of its (especially the dead) participants, whether willing or unwilling, whether Jewish or Gentile.

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Post by Marcus » 16 Mar 2002 20:22

Examples of what I regard as (disallowed) denial would be to deny the existance of gas chambers or the deny the intention to kill the Jews.

/Marcus

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Post by Thorfinn » 17 Mar 2002 15:38

Examples of what I regard as (disallowed) denial would be to deny the existance of gas chambers or the deny the intention to kill the Jews.

I notice that you do not disallow the denial of, for instance, the purposeful bombing of Dresden, or the denial of the intention to kill German civilians. Once again there are seperate standards for Whites, and jews. I can live with these seperate standards, but I do not know how the people that impose such hypocritical rules can live with themselves.

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Post by Marcus » 17 Mar 2002 16:24

Thorinn,

I have no problem with living with myself and the fact that I disallow holocaust denial in my forums, but thanks for caring.

/Marcus

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Post by Dan » 17 Mar 2002 16:25

Thorfinn, my friend, chill out. Marcus is doing a great job. Turn your attention to the GERMAN laws against free speech, not towards the Swedish.
Now admit I was right about Timo :D

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Post by Tchort » 17 Mar 2002 16:59

While I'll try to stay within the lines of approved thought on this forum, 'Holocaust denial' isn't 'Holocaust denial', it's 'Revisionism'.

Ernst Zundel and David Irving (Irving being one of the few historian experts on National Socialist Germany in every aspect) have written numerous books and reports/essays on how certain aspects of the Holocaust*tm* aren't true or are exaggerated. The main arguments are (these are the topics and issues addressed by Irving and Zundel which I'm providing because someone asked):

Gas chambers didn't exist for the purpose of killing people. In the original plans, they were 'delousing chambers' used to sterilize clothing.

Zyklon-B fumes are highly flammable, and many people who say they survived camps with gas chambers smoked while pulling bodies out of chambers. survivors who pulled bodies out have made artist renditions whee the people pulling the bodies out were smoking.

Zyklon-B fumes are highly toxic for a long period of time after being released, so it was impossible to pull bodies out of the chambers without the people doing the pulling being killed themselves

The amount of ashes left by millions of cremated bodies would've amounted to several tons, yet any considerable amount of ashes were never found

Soviet files released after the fall of the USSR in '91 say Soviets built the gas chambers in the Polish camps

The sign outside of auschwitz used to read '4 million people died at the hands of Nazi murderers here' or something to that affect, while today the sign reads one million, and the whole aregument about 4 million dying at auschwitz has been abandoned and is now 1 million-these 3 million jews weren't stricken from the number of 5 million, so where did they vanish to?

I'm sure I'm going to get in trouble for even posting what Revisionists beleive with a disclaimer, so i'll just give you some links to where you can find out why and how people 'deny the Holocaust'.

http://www.zundelsite.org

http://www.air-photo.com

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