Master race laws anniversary

Scott Smith · Post by **Scott Smith** » 17 Sep 2003 09:49

Mirus wrote:So the Fuehrer was of Mediterranean descent

With blue eyes he doesn't really look like the picture and neither does Himmler.

Navy Vet · Post by **Navy Vet** » 17 Sep 2003 09:55

What we need to keep in mind is that the pictures are samples of what a *pure* race would be in that classification. Meaning that all people(s) are mixed so until after their 1000's years plan was carried out not many would look exactly as pictured and I do believe that Nordic was the over all goal in th end.

Navy Vet · Post by **Navy Vet** » 17 Sep 2003 09:57

Scott Smith wrote:The SS tatoo was a blood-type, nothing more. It was a single letter the same as would be on someone's dog-tags in any service, except that it didn't have the POS or NEG factor indicated.

Surely it had to be more detailed than that. I don't doubt you but I always thought it at least had the percentage also.

Scott Smith · Post by **Scott Smith** » 17 Sep 2003 11:05

Navy Vet wrote:
Scott Smith wrote:The SS tatoo was a blood-type, nothing more. It was a single letter the same as would be on someone's dog-tags in any service, except that it didn't have the POS or NEG factor indicated.
Surely it had to be more detailed than that. I don't doubt you but I always thought it at least had the percentage also.

Do a search of the forum, "SS tatoo." Dr. HaEn was in the Waffen SS and explained it.

nondescript handle · Post by **nondescript handle** » 17 Sep 2003 11:21

Navy Vet wrote:Could you explain the percentages and also give details of the SS blood requirements along with the tattoo they wore.

As an example, what % would this be...

Father Nordic Race, his parents German/Irish
Mother Phalian Race, her parents French/French
Child Nordic Race, his parents German/Irish/French

OK, four unrelated classifications:
1) Nazi-ideology races and subraces: e.g. nordic, phalian, oriental (descriptive w/o percentage)
2) Third Reich legal distinction: aryan ("of German or related blood") vs. jewish or "of foreign blood" (w/ percentage)
3) Blood groups: the standard AB0 system (the Rh system was unknown till 1940)
4) Citizenship (German or not)

/edit:
Let me explain further the legal classifications, as set in the Nurnberg laws:
-jew (total-jew) = three or four grandparents were jews
-jew (total-jew) = crossbreed 1st° practicing jewish religion
-jew (total-jew) = crossbreed 1st° married with a jew
-crossbreed 1st grade (half-jew) = two grandparents were jews
-crossbreed 2nd grade (quater-jew) = one grandparent was a jew
-"of German or related blood" (aryan) = no jewish grandparents

Regards
Mark

Wulpe · Post by **Wulpe** » 17 Sep 2003 13:23

Mirus wrote: So the Fuehrer was of Mediterranean descent

The chart only shows the first three of the six alleged german races, the other three are:

dinarisch
ostisch (alpine)
ostbaltisch (east-baltic)

From Hans F. K. Günther: Kleine Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes

Navy Vet · Post by **Navy Vet** » 17 Sep 2003 13:44

There had to of been at least one case of a person with Aryan blood but worshiped as a Jew. What would be done in then, or is this what is meant by crossbreed. I mean if this person was not having sex nor in a relationship with a Jew but only worshiped as a Jew yet he was Blonde/Blue/German. I know it is speculation but with the population it was possible to have occured.

Scott Smith · Post by **Scott Smith** » 17 Sep 2003 16:04

It's not that easy to convert to Judaism. You almost have to marry-in. But in any case the person would be classified as a Jew and lose their German citizenship.

nondescript handle · Post by **nondescript handle** » 17 Sep 2003 16:32

Navy Vet wrote:There had to of been at least one case of a person with Aryan blood but worshiped as a Jew. What would be done in then, or is this what is meant by crossbreed. I mean if this person was not having sex nor in a relationship with a Jew but only worshiped as a Jew yet he was Blonde/Blue/German. I know it is speculation but with the population it was possible to have occured.

Iknow of no such case. And in theory the nazis would only care about "racial" jews and not the jewish faith. But I know that there were several cases were the "aryan" spouses converted to judaism (before the Nurnberg laws). And then both were considered "jewish".

But in any case the person would be classified as a Jew and lose their German citizenship.

To be totally precise they were citizens second class and not stateless. The "Reichsbürgergesetz" ("Reichs"-citizen Act) discriminated between "Reichsbürger" (i.e."citizens of German or related blood") and "Staatsbürger" ("citizens of jewish and foreign blood").

Regards
Mark

tonyh · Post by **tonyh** » 17 Sep 2003 16:45

Navy Vet, Scott is correct about the SS bolld group tattoo. It was simply a measure to help speed up the recoqnition and transfusion of blood in a battlefield senario.

Quite a good idea actually.

Tony

Navy Vet · Post by **Navy Vet** » 17 Sep 2003 18:26

Well then I'm glad mine was on my "dogtags" and not my armpit

nondescript handle, your answer was very good. Thank you.

Scott Smith · Post by **Scott Smith** » 17 Sep 2003 20:06

nondescript handle wrote:
Scott wrote:But in any case the person would be classified as a Jew and lose their German citizenship.
To be totally precise they were citizens second class and not stateless. The "Reichsbürgergesetz" ("Reichs"-citizen Act) discriminated between "Reichsbürger" (i.e."citizens of German or related blood") and "Staatsbürger" ("citizens of jewish and foreign blood").

This would be the difference between "citizens of the state" and "subjects of the state," or in other words, like American citizens and resident aliens (green card carriers) in spite of probably being born in Germany, which in the USA means automatic citizenship.

chalutzim · Post by **chalutzim** » 18 Sep 2003 20:41

Scott Smith wrote:This would be the difference between "citizens of the state" and "subjects of the state," or in other words, like American citizens and resident aliens (green card carriers) in spite of probably being born in Germany, which in the USA means automatic citizenship.

Scott, why I'm not surprised on how you manage to turn Jewish status almost bearable under Nazi rule, when you make this kind of incredible and anachronistic comparison with USA?

GenLtGermanicus · Post by **GenLtGermanicus** » 18 Sep 2003 20:53

there was a very famous case on the crim - one tribe was jewish by blood but of christian belief and another tribe was non-jewish by blood but of jewish belief, therefore the germans didn't know what to do as they entered the crim, they asked berlin and berlin answered that they must only kill those with jewish blood, not the other tribe

Navy Vet · Post by **Navy Vet** » 19 Sep 2003 08:20

What is a "crim"?