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Post by Scott Smith » 21 Sep 2003 12:24

Navy Vet wrote:
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Navy Vet wrote:Again, this post is about the anniversary of the law and the law itself. Not this off topic discussion you have posted here.
I don't see what is "rude, racist or degrading" about it. But I encourage you to start a new thread in the Lounge and we can discuss it.
No thank you. My time is too valuable to be wasted entertaining you, I'd rather spend it here learning about the history.
Have it your way, squid boy.
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Post by David Thompson » 21 Sep 2003 16:46

Please avoid insulting personal remarks.

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Post by chalutzim » 22 Sep 2003 13:20

David Thompson wrote:Chalutzim -- You're not the only one who thinks the race laws were a throw-back. Here's a David Low cartoon, published 31 Mar 1933, before the laws were enacted, on the Nazi racist outlook (it kind of reminded me of some of the posts I've read in this section of the forum):
Thanks, David, for reposting this cartoon!

I'm wondering if you've already read Ron Rosenbaum's "Explaining Hitler: The Search for the Origins of His Evil", particularly the chapter "Fritz Gerlich and the trial of Hitler's nose". It's fascinating (as all the book is) and a shrewd and amusing response to both racists and eugenicists.

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Post by Peter H » 22 Sep 2003 13:36

And the ideal Aryan was "as blonde as Hitler,as slim as Goring,as tall as Goebbels,as sharp-eyed as Himmler,as handsome as Hess,as smart as Ribbentropp,and was called Rosenberg." :?

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Post by Navy Vet » 22 Sep 2003 15:14

8O :D :lol: 8)

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Post by Scott Smith » 23 Sep 2003 02:48

Chalutzim, at least quote the part where Ron claims that Adolf got his penis bitten off which getting fellatio from a goat.

:lol:

And if you use this link to buy the book, this very site gets a small kickback!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... eichfactbo

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Post by David Thompson » 23 Sep 2003 04:05

Chalutzim -- I haven't seen the work, and thank you for recommending it.

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Post by chalutzim » 23 Sep 2003 13:00

Scott Smith wrote:Chalutzim, at least quote the part where Ron claims that Adolf got his penis bitten off which getting fellatio from a goat.

:lol:
Scott, Ron don't claim this. He merely presents and debates claims made by others (the ridiculous, the absurd and the brilliant ones)! Don't try to downplay this masterpiece. :wink:

And if you use this link to buy the book, this very site gets a small kickback!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... eichfactbo
Thanks.

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Post by Scott Smith » 23 Sep 2003 16:20

chalutzim wrote:Scott, Ron don't claim this. He merely presents and debates claims made by others (the ridiculous, the absurd and the brilliant ones)! Don't try to downplay this masterpiece.
I call that Greuelpropaganda Lite. One doesn't claim it so one doesn't have to stand behind it, he just repeats a story or two and implies that they might have merit. Whatever.
:lol:

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Post by chalutzim » 23 Sep 2003 16:29

Scott Smith wrote:I call that Greuelpropaganda Lite. One doesn't claim it so one doesn't have to stand behind it, he just repeats a story or two and implies that they might have merit. Whatever.
:lol:
I'm sure you will change your opinion AFTER you read the book, Scott.

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Post by chalutzim » 23 Sep 2003 17:03

David Thompson wrote:Chalutzim -- You're not the only one who thinks the race laws were a throw-back.
Where the ideology that supported those race laws led?

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Low, October 1st 1946.

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Post by Navy Vet » 24 Sep 2003 15:40

very eye-opening drawing thanks for posting it.

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Post by chalutzim » 24 Sep 2003 15:52

Navy Vet, I forgot to post the caption:
Low combined an economy of word and concept with a phenomenal drawing talent. He was capable of the broadest of broadsides at the Prime Minister of the Day, and a moving spectacle, as here, of the dead coming back to haunt the defendants of the Nuremburg Trials of Nazi War Criminals, in a cartoon published on October 1st 1946.
http://www.adh.brighton.ac.uk/schoolofd ... IALow.html

After reading G. M. Gilbert "Nuremberg Diary", it's hard to imagine (as Low did) those "human beings" feeling contrition and kneeling before the victims of their crimes. Principally that rascal at the far right, on the front row.

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Post by Scott Smith » 24 Sep 2003 19:49

chalutzim wrote:Where the ideology that supported those race laws led?
I don't think the logic flies. There would not have been this:

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without this:

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And it takes quite a Genocide theory-of-history to say that the 1935 race laws (which I do not support) led to World War.
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Post by chalutzim » 24 Sep 2003 19:55

Scott Smith wrote:And it takes quite a Genocide theory-of-history to say that the 1935 race laws (which I do not support) led to World War.
I didn't say or imply this. It would be better IMO to say: the mindset that produced and supported German racial laws was the same that produced and supported German attack on defenseless countries, pushing one more time the rest of Europe and EUA into a slaughtertime.

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