Denim Demon wrote:Wolfangel, I know the topic is how many jews were killed, the point i tried to make was that the germans could have got their numbers mixed up, creating a situation which inflated the number of jews killed. this could perhaps explain how the figure got higher than it in fact were.
If you've ever seen a German report of any kind, you'll know this argument is nonsense.
from the Auschwitz-Kalendarium/Chronicle, based on camp reports:
5.9.44 Sipo Den Haag 141
5.9.44 RSHA Westerbork 1019 (549 gassed)
the first entry corresponds to political, non-Jewish prisoners, the second to a transport of Jews, both from Holland, sent to the same camp, on the same day, probably on the same train.
or take a report from Einsatzgruppe B, recorded in Ereignismeldung Nr. 193, recording executions between 6 and 30 March 1942:
Sonderkommando 7a: 1657 (27 partisans/communits, 45 gypsies, 1585 Jews)
Sonderkommando 7b: 82 (19 partisan cooperators, 22 communists, 14 hetzerischer Aeusserungen , 27 Jews)
Sonderkommando Moskau: 52 (41 partisans, 4 thieves and poisoners, 7 Jews)
Einsatzkommando 8: 1609 (20 communists, saboteurs, NKVD agents, 5 thieves, 33 gypsies, 1551 Jews)
Einsatzkommando 9: 273 (85 partisans, 18 communists and criminals, 170 Jews)
Trupp Smolensk 60 (29 partisan helpers, 13 thieves, plunderers, agents and saboteurs, 18 Jews)
The same can be said for historians working after the fact. For France, there are extremely clear distinctions between prisoners deported to camps qua Jews and those deported qua resistance activities:
75,721 Jewish deportees to KZ Auschwitz 3% survived
86,827 political prisoners sent to KZs 40% survived
of the latter figure for French political prisoners:
- 65,324 French deported from occupation zone
- 6,609 deported from annexed territories of Alsace-Lorraine
- 6,391 French arrested inside 3rd Reich (foreign workers) and sent to KZs
- 6,737 Spanish republicans deported to Mauthausen
- 779 French deported for reasons of racial persecution not included in figure for Jews above
- 1,537 French deportees unknown origin (only 1.7%!!!)
(Le LIVRE-MEMORIAL des déportés de France arrêtés par mesure de répression et dans
certains cas par mesure de persécution 1940 - 1945)
Just a few examples which could be multiplied hundreds of times over.