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If Waltenbacher asserts that the headstrap was introduced in 1940, he has not done much fact checking and research. The headstrap dates back to 1854. This raises the possibility that other information presented as fact may be wrong. I am still very interested in what he has to say. Reindel (Ernst) had a history of complaining about his salary to the RMJ and they were glad to see him leave. See Evans. I believe you said Waltenbacher does not cite his sources?Paul53 wrote:As for Fredricks re mark about the head strap:I found it a bit dfficult too,to believe it was only introduced 1940,as Waltenbacher says.In the 80 or so years that the Mannhardt was in operation, the problem would certainly have occured more.BTW,Waltenbacher gives a reason why Reindel quitted the job:he was prosecuted,so to say, by the tax department.His income as executioner,and the income he had from his knackers business,were added and taxed for the previous 5 years.Reindel suddely found out, that he earned less than his assistants.They (RJM) tried to persuade him to stay,but Reindel had had enough.
Pete26 wrote:Thanks for the interesting photos, Paul. I would like to discuss several issues. The first one is about the autopsy room and scharfrichter's quarters in the execution shed built in Wolfenbuttel. Were all these contained within the same building? Did they actually conduct autopsies on the dead bodies? What exactly was the purpose? They knew why they died so they were definitely not trying to determine the cause of death. Odd as it seems, autopsies are not all that uncommon following judicial executions. For example, they were conducted by law in the US Sing Sing prison after the inmate was electrocuted. Some said that the real purpose of these autopsies was to make sure that nobody cheated the electric chair. Whereas there is a small probability a person could survive a no drop hanging, surviving electrocution is very remote, so one could see why autopsies done following such executions would make sure nobody left alive. But a beheading? Chances of surviving that are exactly zero. So why an autopsy? Maybe it was done for purpose of performing some medical experiments?
Second subject is providing sleeping quarters for the scharfrichters in the prison where executions are taking place. This was a common practice in 20th century England. The executions were typically conducted early in the morning and by law the executioner had to arrive at the prison the night before, so he had to sleep on the prison grounds and the quarters were provided, as well as food. Was there a similar law/rule in the third Reich? Is seems that most executions were done in the afternoon hours, so the scharfrichter could arrive at the prison an hour before, or so. This was the case of Johann Reichart arriving at Stadelheim prison about an hour before the scheduled execution of the White Rose conspirators at 5 PM.
About the pictures:
In the photo of the Poznan fallbeil room, what is the purpose of the short lever on the left upright? The blade release lever is a long vertical rod visible in the picture.
In the photo of the Tegel fallbeil without any background, no blade release rod is visible, but again there is the short pull chain attached to a short pivot. Is this some kind of modified blade release mechanism?
The photo of the Mannhart fallbeil shows the tipping board in the near horizontal position, but there is a slight incline to it. Would this board become completely horizontal with a person on it? The massive blade release mechanism is clearly visible. This is by far the most reliable, and foolproof design. Solid massive rod with with rigid linkage directly connected to the blade release claw. As reliable as it could be. It is safe to say that the Tegel design was a giant step backward as far as quality and reliability of the machine.
I did not realize they were beheaded on an invisible block with an invisible axe.Paul53 wrote:
On this block, and with this Beil, Renate von Natzer and Benita vo Falkenhayn,wre beheaded on february 18th 1935, in Berlin-Plotzensee prison,by Karl Gropler.