Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by Pete26 » 28 Jan 2009, 02:11

Paul53 wrote:
The autopsy quarters were somewhere in the vincinity of the execution shed, but it is not clear from the text,where they were exactly.Same goes for the quarters of the Scharfrichter.As far as is clear from the text( but will come tothat later) from the side of the German Anatomical Institutions, there was a great interest on obtainig material from executed persons, because this tissue material was"" freshly cut out, from mainly young persons,who would never have ended up on a dissecting table normally""(Stieve)
So the medical influence in organizing these dissecting rooms was strong, and apparently,was not lost on the RJM.Safe to say that they were cutting out interesting material for their research,organs and the like.
I am trying to differentiate between an autopsy, which is a legal forensic procedure performed to determine the cause of death, and dissection, which is primarily a learning exercise for student medics. We know that many guillotined bodies were shipped to anatomical institutes for dissection after the beheading. This would not qualify as an autopsy. As I mentioned before, an autopsy is required by law in some countries following a judicial execution. For example, there was an autopsy done on Ted Bundy, electrocuted in Florida in 1989, as can be seen from this photograph. Notice the sutures in the back of the head and burn marks on the head from the electrode:

http://www.justiceblind.com/death/ted-bundy-2.jpg

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by Pete26 » 28 Jan 2009, 03:27

Piotr, your picture clearly shows the tipping board in a perfectly horizontal position on top of the bench. So that question is answered. From the picture we also see that the frame is unbolted from the bench. This is probably how they transported these guillotines. They simply unbolted the frame from the bench. The frame could be easily carried by four men and placed flat on the floor of the truck bed and the bench next to it. No excessive height would be required. Very valuable photo Piotr.
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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by Pete26 » 28 Jan 2009, 03:34

Paul, the short lever in your fallbeil picture is probably the locking lever for the lunette and it also controls the drop of the same from the open position. The blade release rod is missing in the picture.

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Post by Paul53 » 28 Jan 2009, 12:22

Pete26 wrote:Paul, the short lever in your fallbeil picture is probably the locking lever for the lunette and it also controls the drop of the same from the open position. The blade release rod is missing in the picture.
Yes,that could be.

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Post by Paul53 » 28 Jan 2009, 21:06

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Table with rubber gloves,as used for dissecting of the executed,in Poznan prison
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Post by Paul53 » 28 Jan 2009, 23:55

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Slim legged Pankraz Tegel
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Post by Paul53 » 28 Jan 2009, 23:59

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Muenchen/Stadelheim prison in 1920.Presently,it is completely surrounded by residential buildings
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Post by Paul53 » 29 Jan 2009, 00:11

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The original Pankraz,photo made 1943.It is a completely different machine.I still have no idea why they changed it.
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The original Pankraz in 1943
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Post by Paul53 » 29 Jan 2009, 00:28

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The execution room of Stadelheim prison in 1956.Turned into a car working shop.
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Post by Paul53 » 29 Jan 2009, 00:33

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Execution room Brandenburg/Gorden.There were only two hooks.
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Post by Paul53 » 29 Jan 2009, 00:34

This last pcture is reversely printed

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Post by Paul53 » 29 Jan 2009, 01:31

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Hooks and stool for hanging,Pankraz
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Cose up of the Pankraz slim Tegel
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Post by Paul53 » 29 Jan 2009, 01:53

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Richtblock and Richtbeil.These are the actual tools of Karl Gropler,used for the beheading of Benita von Falkenhayn and Renate von Natzer,february 18th,1935
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