Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby htk » 22 Aug 2015 11:13

Hi Fredric

JR demanding to paid in gold is not that far fetched.

I still know people in south america, who are saving gold .. just in case. They still dont have trust in their economy & money as it devaluates regularely and they rename the currency rendering the old currency worthless.

IF this is true about JR, then it means that he forsaw the fall of the german government (not that difficult after stalingrad) and asked to be paid in future resistant currency ie gold. Against this is the fact that then JR openly doubted the end victory of germany and to do so was also bad for your health.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby Pete26 » 22 Aug 2015 14:04

fredric wrote:I have read claims that Johann Reichhart transported the fallbeil to various execution sites in his Opel Blitz truck. I can see him doing this
prior to the establishment of Central Execution Prisons but question if it is logical that he continued to haul the mechanism to his designated
Central Execution sites during the War years. Each Central Execution Prison within the Reich and greater Reich had its own fallbeil (mostly Tegels) so transporting the Munich Mannhardt to his assigned prisons (e.g. Stuttgart) does not sound correct.
Does anyone have information on this subject?


It is obvious to me that transporting a fallbeil from prison to prison would be economically feasible only when there were few executions. Transporting a fallbeil, assembling it and then disassembling it was tedious and time consuming. Plus there were expenses associated with transporting the equipment. As more and more people were sentenced to death, it became necessary to establish central execution sites with permanent fallbeils. With each central execution site having its own execution equipment, it was no longer necessary to transport it from other sites. More central execution sites were added as some central execution sites were simply overwhelmed with number of executions and the cost of transporting condemned prisoners to remote execution sites became significant. For example, prior to April 1943, condemned Czechs were being transported to Dresden on a regular basis and beheaded there. As the costs associated with transport of the prisoners were rising, and body disposal became a real problem, a new central execution site was established in Prague Pankrac prison.

In France during the French revolution, there were permanently mounted guillotines in several locations because the number of beheadings was very high, even more than 50 people on some days. After the revolution, as the number of beheadings was reduced to only a few a year, the guillotines would be transported disassembled to various localities where the executions took place. This way only one or two functional guillotines were required. And this practice was then continued in France during the 19th century and part of the 20th century.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby fredric » 22 Aug 2015 19:58

In the period 1854 -1937, there were two (2) Mannhardt fallbeil mechanisms in Bavaria.

These were shipped to seven prisons where executions were carried out: Munchen, Straubing, Amberg, Bayreuth, Ansbach, Wurzburg and Augsburg. Each prison had its own wooden base with a table and each base was made to precisely fit the mechanism. It is likely most prisons had their own tipping boards.

Shipped along with the mechanism were bolts, tools, the halsbrett (lunette), blutfang (blood chute) pulley and rope, and the fabric head tub
as well as two cased blades and their bolts. It made for quite a heavy, cumbersome shipment. Shipping was done by rail and later via truck.

The bases, located at each prison, also had two "stools" (marked "A" and "B" on which the machine was placed horizontally and then lifted and fitted to the rear base. The assembly by an experienced sharfrichtercommando took a few hours. Cleaning, repacking
and return shipping plus inspection took more time.

Shipping of these mechanism was unnecessary once the Central Execution Sites were established and Tegels supplied to most sites.
Therefore I think it is doubtful Reichhart transported "his fallbeil" (the Munchen-Stadelheimer). He and his team were speeding to Central Execution sites by then in his Fiat. I question the accuracy of claims Reichhart brought his "transportable fallbeil" along.

During the War years, Bavaria's Mannhardts were located at Stadelheim and Wroclaw (Breslau). These Mannhardts still exist,
one in the Bavarian National Museum's storage and one displayed at the Patriotic War Museum, Kiev.

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Pankrac execution commission

Postby Pete26 » 25 Aug 2015 04:33

The Pankrac prison execution commission consisted of five members. They sat behind a large table on a podium in the anteroom of the execution suite.

Typically they were these men:

1. Director of Pankrac prison Sauerbruch

2. Hauptwachtmeister Obendorf

3. Oberwachtmeister Sauer

4. Physician Dr. Viktor Kindermann

5. Staatsanwalt of the Prague Landgericht Hans Rudolf Rehder-Knöspel


Source: Berufwunsch Henker by Klaus Hillenbrand


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http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DWT1RP/pankrac ... DWT1RP.jpg


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The Staatsanwalt Rehder-Knöspel likely sat at the end of the table, from which position the guillotine was in direct line of sight. This way he could watch the executions directly. The executions were timed and none lasted more than 15 seconds from the time the condemned was turned over to the executioner to the fall of the blade.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby fredric » 25 Aug 2015 23:43

What happened to these officials?
Also, any info on Weiss when he lived (retired) in Straubing? Children? Descendants today?
From what I read, he was supported by Bavarians in his quest for a pension. Seems like he
would be an interesting documentary subject.

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Alois Weiss after WWII

Postby Pete26 » 26 Aug 2015 01:59

"Alois Weiss lebte nach dem Krieg zusammen mit seiner Frau und seinem Schwager Otto S. in Straubing in bescheidenen Verhältnissen. Offenbar war Weiss nichts von seinen großen Einkünften während seiner Scharfrichterzeit in München und Prag geblieben. Nach dem Großen finanziellen Aufstieg folgte nun ein tiefer Fall. Weiss arbeitete als Notstandshelfer, oder war arbeitslos. Ein Reporter der Süddeutschen Zeitung beschrieb 1953 seine Lebensverhältnisse: In der kleinen, übermaßig geheizten Küche des einsamen Gehöfts, in dem Weiss mit seiner Frau zwei winzige Zimmer bewohnt, sitzt der ehemalige Scharfrichter und streckt behaglich die Beine unter den Tisch. Nach dem Tod des Schwagers im Jahr 1957 verzog das Ehepaar in einen Wohnblock der Landes wohnungs fürsorge, 1965 arbeitete der inzwischen 59 Jährige als Saaldiener.
Alois Weiss war dort angekommen, wo er bis zu seinem sagenhaften Aufstieg zum Scharfrichter schon einmal war ganz unten. So entpuppt sich seine blutige Karriere als eine kurze Episode in seinem Leben, die sich gerade einmal über vier Jahre erstreckte. Dieser Aufstieg war nur unter dem ausgehenden Regime der Nazis möglich gewesen un der sich die Justiz mit Methoden, die mit einem Rechtstaat nichts gemein hatten, gegen die eigene Bevölkerung wie gegen Menschen in den besetzten Ländern wandte."

Translated:

"Alois Weiss lived after the war together with his wife and his brother-in-law Otto S. in Straubing in modest circumstances. Apparently Weiss had nothing left of his large income during his executioner's time in Munich and Prague. After the great financial ascent now followed a deep fall. Weiss worked as an emergency worker, or was unemployed. A reporter from the Süddeutsche Zeitung described his living conditions in 1953: In the small, excessively heated kitchen of the lonely farmhouse, where Weiss and his wife occupied two tiny rooms, sits the former executioner and stretches his legs comfortably under the table. After the death of the brother-in-law in 1957, the couple moved into an apartment block housing the country's welfare recipients. In 1965 the now 59-year-old worked as an usher.
Alois Weiss had arrived to the bottom where he was until his legendary ascent to the executioner. So his bloody career turns out to be a brief episode in his life, which lasted just four years. This rise was possible only under the outgoing regime of the Nazis and its judiciary with methods that had nothing in common with the rule of law, turned against its own people and against people in the occupied countries."

Source: Berufswunsch Henker by Klaus Hillenbrand



There is no mention of any children in the Weiss family. As far as the fate of the Pankrac execution commission members, Sauer was sentenced to death and executed after the War. I found a source which mentions that Dr. Kindermann died in 1945 in Pankrac prison. It does not explain how. I do not know what happened to the others after the War.

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1940 description of Stadelheim execution room

Postby Pete26 » 26 Aug 2015 04:28

"Der kleine Anbau, der in Stadelheim als Richtstätte dient, besteht aus 2 Räumen, die durch einen großen schwarzen Vorhang voneinander getrennt sind. In dem vorderen Raum wird dem Verurteilten nochmals das Urteil verlesen. In dem hinteren Raum steht das Richtgerät. Der Verurteilte wendet bei der Verlesung den Rücken dem Vorhang zu. Nach der Verlesung wird ihm eine Augenbinde mit Gummizug angelegt. Gleichzeitig wird der Vorhang aufgezogen. Mit verbundenen Augen wird dann der Verurteilte dem Fallschwert zugewended, rasch dem Richtgerät zugeführt , dort angeschnallt und enthauptet, Das Anlegen der Augenbinde unterbleibt, wenn der Verurteilte darum ersucht."

Translated:

"The small building, which serves as a place of execution in Stadelheim, consists of 2 rooms, which are separated by a large black curtain. In the front room the verdict will be read again to the condemned. In the back room is the execution device. The convicted person will be standing with his back to the curtain while the verdict is read. After reading is over, a blindfold with an elastic is applied. At the same time the curtain is opened. Blindfolded, the convicted person is then taken to the guillotine, quickly strapped and there beheaded, Applying of the blindfold will be omitted, if the convicted person so requests. "


It is also mentioned that the Stadelheim execution building was formerly a garage. After WWII it was again converted into an automotive repair shop.


Source: Berufswunsch Henker by Klaus Hillenbrand

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby svenga » 26 Aug 2015 12:32

Friends.. assosciates..

It has been a while since I posted, but I have been watching..

Please do not take this the wrong way, or judge instantly. But I fear we are repeating categories facts and information already discussed over the three hundred and eighty one pages again, if not for the second time..

Surely there must be new matters, New theories and facts to run over opposed to what is already recorded? I know our subject is a little tight with allowance of new material and very rarely new information (let alone images) come to light, but I deffinately think we can progress forward instead of refreshing stories facts and common aspects of the topic from just under one hundred pages ago.

Fredric, Pete, I hope you are all well.. Gordon you too if you are still reading.

I have some material on file to share when the time is right but very little unfortunately, things really have been slow.

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Memorial plaques

Postby Pete26 » 30 Aug 2015 04:46

Memorial plaques on Vienna Regional Court building, where over 1200 people were guillotined during the Third Reich era. The former execution room can be visited on the first Tuesday of every month at 1500 hours.


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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... nger_2.jpg

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Oberlandesgericht Stuttgart

Postby Pete26 » 31 Aug 2015 18:03

In the courtyard of this building 450 people were guillotined by Johann Reichhart. The building was completely destroyed by bombs in WWII.

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http://www.olg-stuttgart.de/pb/site/jum ... chnung.jpg

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Photo of Antonin Nerad

Postby Pete26 » 03 Sep 2015 01:20

Antonin Nerad became one of assistants to Prague Executioner Alois Weiss in March 1944. So he performed this function for just over one year. He was also a former sergeant of the Czechoslovak Army and a Gestapo informant. After WWII Nerad was sentenced to death and hanged in Pankrac prison on 25 April 1947.

Source of the photo: Svedek z Cely Smrti by Stanislav Motl
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Prison card for Richard Zembsch

Postby Pete26 » 06 Sep 2015 02:20

Richard Zembsch was sentenced to death for treason in 1943 and guillotined in Plotzensee prison. This is his prison card:

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http://www.fnweb.de/polopoly_fs/1.11897 ... /image.jpg

This is a family photo of Richard Zembsch taken in 1929 in Karlstadt. He is in the first row on the lower left part of the photograph.


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Alfred Frank

Postby Pete26 » 06 Sep 2015 22:58

Alfred Frank was German painter and a communist. He was sentenced to death and guillotined at Munchner Platz, Dresden on 11 January 1945.

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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Frank

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Memorial tablet in Dresden

Postby Pete26 » 07 Sep 2015 01:20

This memorial tablet is placed on the spot where the Munchner Platz, Dresden guillotine once stood. More than 1300 people were beheaded here during the years of the Third Reich.

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Assistants of executioner Alfred Roselieb

Postby Pete26 » 21 Sep 2015 06:08

Two assistants of executioner Alfred Roselieb were sentenced to death after WWII ended. Johannes Kleine died while in prison on 22 December 1946. Andreas Rose was beheaded by guillotine on 19 June 1947 at Coswig castle, Anhalt. Coswig prison in Anhalt was used as guillotine execution site after WWII. The guillotine was located in the basement of the Coswig Castle. It was supposedly used in this location until 1956.


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