Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby fredric » 29 Dec 2017 21:51

Thank you for your comments about beloved Germany. We share the sadness at actually seeing the faces of those who were murdered during the Hitler years. Pete deserves much credit for his research.

How could the country that brought us Beethoven and Bach, so many intellectuals, great writers, scientists and so many good and kind and innovative people in all fields, ever have been taken in by the NS State?

Unfortunately angry people (such as the impoverished German population after WW1) can be swayed by leaders who promise simple solutions to complex problems and present a "tough-guy" position as did Hitler and his Brown Shirt followers in the 1930's. They bought HIlter's bigotry and lies. It made them feel strong. Horrible laws followed as did the executions of those who dared to resist.


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Executions in Hamm

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby fredric » 07 Jan 2018 17:15

Excellent video. Important. The richtbeil shown was used into the 1850's. I would
like to see if it has maker's marks or sharfrichter inscriptions, also how it was made.
Richtbeille like this continued to be used into the early Hitler years.
This one is of the type used by Carl Groppler to behead Falkenhayn and Natzmer. Also the Altoona group at Hamburg.
The beil would be replaced in Hamm by the fallbeil in just a few years.
BTW... the beil weighs around 13 lbs. The handle may be original.
The crack shows the weak point in the blade. Thank you because I will be communicating with this museum. I did not
know that had this beil. The block, btw, is familiar. Wonder if they have it?

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby Peter » 07 Jan 2018 19:15

Richtbeil. as above https://www.wa.de/hamm/gustav-luebcke-m ... 59454.html - just in case the website disappears at some stage in years to come.
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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby fredric » 07 Jan 2018 19:46

I would like to study that beil. A significant "find"...
Never seen a fault (stress crack) like that. I has to have a history. Taken out of service?
Owned by Reindel? Older than that?
It is probably authentic. Surprised how smooth it appears. Maybe that is the coating?
The handle may not be of the age of the blade.
I have made richtbeille;this one is magnificent.
Got to write to these Museum people.
Beil has been coated?
It is similar to the Reindel/Krautz beil.
Could the maker be Grossmann?

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Re: Execution axe

Postby Pete26 » 11 Jan 2018 04:57

The narrator says that the Richtbeil was made in Berlin, so it is quite possible that it was made by Grossmann. She also says that it is quite heavy. It looks like an authentic old execution axe judging by pitting which is clearly visible through the coat of gray paint. Most likely the axe was quite rusty sitting in some damp basement of some building for many decades. They cleaned up the rust and coated the axe with paint to make it more presentable as a museum piece. You can notice that the blade edge is severely pitted in at least one spot, most likely as a result of deep rust damage. The same goes for the execution sword hanging on the wall next to the beil.

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Kurt Huber's execution

Postby Pete26 » 14 Jan 2018 02:32

Kurt Huber was guillotined in Stadelheim prison on 13 July 1943.

From the execution protocol:

Der Hinrichtungsvorgang vom Verlassen der Zelle an gerechnet 44 Secunden, von der Ubergabe an den Scharfrichter bis zum Fall des Beils 9 Secunden gedauert habe.


So it took 44 seconds from leaving the prison cell to presentation in the execution building and 9 seconds from being turned over to the executioner to the fall of the blade.

https://books.google.com/books?id=T_OtD ... te&f=false

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Re: Execution axe

Postby fredric » 14 Jan 2018 04:35

Pete26 wrote:The narrator says that the Richtbeil was made in Berlin, so it is quite possible that it was made by Grossmann. She also says that it is quite heavy. It looks like an authentic old execution axe judging by pitting which is clearly visible through the coat of gray paint. Most likely the axe was quite rusty sitting in some damp basement of some building for many decades. They cleaned up the rust and coated the axe with paint to make it more presentable as a museum piece. You can notice that the blade edge is severely pitted in at least one spot, most likely as a result of deep rust damage. The same goes for the execution sword hanging on the wall next to the beil.


I have been unable to track down the Grossmann company. Does anyone know anything about them?
All I know is that they are described as "zeugschmidt" J. Grossmann, Berlin
Their mark appears on two richtbeils pictured on the Internet. One is the authentic copy of Reindel's beil and the
other was bought by Steve, the gentleman who has a Canadian-based t.v. show about torture and execution equipment.


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