Thanks Pete for the info! The only problem is that the Viennese policeman wasn´t shot during a robbery or any other crime of the Felony Murder Rule.
And reading the Conny and Dan story (also in your 2nd link) I must admit you have some weird laws over there. Now I understand why many US citizens blame a fleeing suspect who drove away with his car and got chased by the cops (often only for misdemeanor!) and the latter kill innocent persons instead as in every other country the person who actually did commit the manslaughter = the cops.
Beheadings in the Third Reich
Re: 30 March 1943 Vienna Regional Court execution list
Pete26 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2018, 03:51
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A handwritten list of 15 of 19 people guillotined at Vienna Regional court on 30 March 1943. The list was written by the prison chaplain Eduard Kock.
The names of the executed and times of execution were:
1. Kohut, Ludwig, 1800 hrs
2. Jurica, Emil, 1803 hours
3. Strouhal, Franz, 1805 hours
4. Ondras, Franz, 1807 hours
5. Gebauer, Josef, 1810 hours
6. Wiegand, Friedrich, 1812 hours
7. Fischer, Maria, 1815 hours
8. Ulbrich, Leopoldine, 1817 hours
9. Kafka, Helene, 1820 hours
10. Stix, Friedrich, 1823 hours
11. Kupsky, Ludwig, 1825 hours
12. Slaby, Leopold, 1828 hours
13. Friedl, Josef, 1830 hours
14. Plocek, Johann, 1832 hours
15. Papouschek, Johann, 1834 hours
The last four executed in 30 March 1943 execution session (not on this list) were:
Czapka, Josef
Kodek, Alois
Komarik, Josef
Schmidt, Rudolf
Note the time intevals between each execution. They are only 2 or 3 minutes, therefore very similar to times recorded by the executioner Alois Weiss in Pankrac prison execution book.
The victim number 9 on the list is Helene Kafka, or Sister Restituta Kafka, the only nun beheaded by Hitler. Her body was buried in a mass grave in Vienna Central Cemetery, group 40. The authorities refused to allow her body to be buried by the nuns of her convent.
Here is a photo of the rest of the hand written list with four names on it (victims number 16,17,18, and 19):
Note: Victim number 17 on the list is spelled as "Josef Komarik" in the "Die Guillotinierten" pamphlet, but as "Josef Krcmarik" on this handwritten list and also on the DOEW.at site, so this must be the correct name.
Josef Krcmarik
https://www.doew.at/cms/images/bnevs/de ... -Josef.png
Translated:Der Schaffner Josef Krcmarik gehörte der Widerstandsgruppe im Straßenbahn-Betriebsbahnhof Brigittenau an. Er wurde am 3. 2. 1942 wegen Betätigung für die KPÖ verhaftet, am 8. 12. 1942 vom Volksgerichtshof wegen "Vorbereitung zum Hochverrat" zum Tode verurteilt und am 30. 3. 1943 im Landesgericht Wien hingerichtet.
The conductor Josef Krcmarik belonged to the resistance group in the tramway operating station Brigittenau. He was arrested on 3 February 1942 for being a member of the Communist Party, sentenced to death by the People's Court on 8 December 1942 for "preparing for high treason" and executed on 30 March 1943 at the Vienna Regional Court.
Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich
The correct spelled and written name of victim #17 is "Krčmarik".
The Czech letter "č" isn´t the same as the German/English letter "c".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8C
And victim #16 isn´t Kodek Alois but Houdek Alois.
At least the got the other two names correct.
The Czech letter "č" isn´t the same as the German/English letter "c".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8C
And victim #16 isn´t Kodek Alois but Houdek Alois.
At least the got the other two names correct.
Beheading of Silvester Murau, Horst Klinger, and Joachim Flegel
https://www.bild.de/news/inland/ddr/die ... .bild.html
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The execution took place on 16 May 1956 in Dresden, DDR. The article mentions leading the condemned into an execution room, drawing back a black curtain and then placing the condemned on the tipping board. This cannot be right. The Dresden guillotine in 1956 was mounted outdoors inside the execution courtyard of the Munchner Platz Court building. Therefore, it is not likely that there was any curtain, and if there indeed was one, it would have to be a portable curtain, placed in front of the guillotine just for executions. And Dresden fallbeil was a Tegel fallbeil, so it did not have any tipping board.
The executioner was Walter Böttcher. After the blade fell, the executioner's assistants raised the legs of the victim so the severed neck would bleed faster. This same technique is mentioned for Leipzig executions. The fallbeil was moved from Dresden into an indoor execution room in Leipzig around 1958. Certain Stasi officers were forced to watch the executions as a deterrent.
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... .bild.html
The execution took place on 16 May 1956 in Dresden, DDR. The article mentions leading the condemned into an execution room, drawing back a black curtain and then placing the condemned on the tipping board. This cannot be right. The Dresden guillotine in 1956 was mounted outdoors inside the execution courtyard of the Munchner Platz Court building. Therefore, it is not likely that there was any curtain, and if there indeed was one, it would have to be a portable curtain, placed in front of the guillotine just for executions. And Dresden fallbeil was a Tegel fallbeil, so it did not have any tipping board.
The executioner was Walter Böttcher. After the blade fell, the executioner's assistants raised the legs of the victim so the severed neck would bleed faster. This same technique is mentioned for Leipzig executions. The fallbeil was moved from Dresden into an indoor execution room in Leipzig around 1958. Certain Stasi officers were forced to watch the executions as a deterrent.
Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich
What did you expect, Pete, "Bild" is Germanys yellow press number 1!
Bruno and Susanne Krüger
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Bruno and Susanne Krüger were both guillotined in Dresden, DDR on 14 September 1955.
https://zeitschrift-fsed.fu-berlin.de/i ... ew/377/360
Als Oberstaatsanwalt Max Haberkorn Susanne Krüger vor der Hinrichtung in der Zelle
das Todesurteil noch einmal verlas, bat sie, ihren Mann noch ein letztes Mal sehen zu
dürfen. Dieser Wunsch wurde von Haberkorn abgelehnt. Am 14. September 1955 um
1.45 Uhr wurden Susanne Krüger, wie es im Vollstreckungsprotokoll heißt, „in Vorbe-
reitung der Vollstreckung die Nackenhaare geschnitten. Irgendwelchen Widerstand hat
sie nicht gezeigt bzw. geleistet. Um 2.00 Uhr wurde sie gefesselt und in den Richtraum
gebracht. Dort selbst wurde ihr im Beisein von 4 Genossen des SfS
sowie des Hauptarztes Dr. Skrobeck vom Anstaltsleiter nochmals kurz die Urteilsformel verkündet und
sie anschließend dem Scharfrichter übergeben. Irgendwelche Schwierigkeiten hat sie
auch da nicht bereitet. Die Vollstreckung selbst nahm ca. 3 sec. in Anspruch.“
Bruno Krüger wurde fünf Minuten nach seiner Frau gefesselt und zur Hinrichtung ge-
führt. Laut Vollstreckungsprotokoll versuchte er „während des Transportes nach dem
Richtraum Widerstand zu leisten, indem er mit dem Kopf gegen die Heizung rannte.
Der Widerstand wurde sofort unter Zuhilfenahme des Polizeiknüppels gebrochen.“ Die
Leichname des Ehepaars wurden noch in der gleichen Nacht eingeäschert und anonym
bestattet. Als Todesursache wurde auf dem Bestattungsschein jeweils akutes Herz- und
Kreislaufversagen angegeben.
As Attorney Max Haberkorn Susanne Krüger before the execution in the cell
Once again, she asked to be allowed to see her husband one last time.
This request was rejected by Haberkorn. On September 14, 1955 at
1.45 am, as stated in the enforcement protocol, Susanne Krüger had her hair cut before
the execution. There is no mention of any resistance. At 2:00 AM she was handcuffed and taken to the execution area.
She herself was there in the presence of four comrades of the SfS as well as the chief physician Skrobeck from the institute. The chief again briefly announces the verdict and then handed her over to the executioner. She had some difficulties
also not prepared there. The execution itself took about 3 seconds. "
Bruno Krüger was handcuffed and executed five minutes after his wife. According to the enforcement protocol, he tried resisting "during transport to the execution room, room by ramming his head against the heater.
The resistance was immediately broken with the help of the police truncheon. "
The couple's corpses were cremated the same night and anonymously
buried. The cause of death was on the funeral certificate respectively acute cardiac and
Circulatory failure indicated.
An article about Horst Klinger
Horst Klinger was beheaded in Dresden on 16 May 1956 at 4:20 AM. He was 28 years old.
Translated:Der Zahnarzt wollte nicht sterben. Um 4.20 Uhr wurde er gefesselt und dem Scharfrichter übergeben. „Bei der Übergabe versuchte er Schwierigkeiten zu machen und schrie das Wort ,Freiheit‘“, vermerkt lakonisch das Hinrichtungsprotokoll. „Er wurde überwältigt und das Urteil vollstreckt.“ So geschehen am 16. Mai 1956.
Just like Hans Scholl 13 years earlier, Horst Klinger shouted "freedom" just before being beheaded. Both Hans Scholl and Horst Klinger were freedom fighters. Hans Scholl fought Nazi tyranny, while Horst Klinger fought communist tyranny. Both died under the blade of a Nazi guillotine.The dentist did not want to die. At 4.20 am he was handcuffed and handed over to the executioner. "At the delivery, he tried to make trouble and shouted the word 'freedom'," laconically noted the execution protocol. "He was overpowered and the sentence executed." So happened on 16 May 1956.
http://www.ostsee-zeitung.de/Nachrichte ... de-der-DDR
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Kurt Gäbler and Gerhard Rogasch
Kurt Gäbler (standing) and Gerhard Rogasch (seated to his left) were sentenced to death and guillotined together with Werner Gladow in Frankfurt on Oder on 10 November 1950.
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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich
Did Bruno and Susanne Krüger, Silvester Murau, Horst Klinger, Joachim Flegel, Kurt Gäbler and Gerhard Rogasch have any link to the Third Reich?
If not why are they mentioned here?
Even if there is a link to the TR, their executions were carried out years after it ceased to exist.
Likewise the many posts that deal with the pre TR era and the posts that deal with similarly detailed hangings are not relevant to this thread.
It seems to me that these people are included only to dwell on the macabre detail of their deaths.
It is one thing to honor the deaths of those who opposed the Nazi regime but quite another to dwell on the minutiae of the actual execution and equipment used.[Even to the extent of posts about model guillotine makers ]
If this level of detail is indeed necessary then perhaps the thread name should be changed to something more encompassing and kept within the time frame of the interest of this forum.
I hesitate to suggest that the name be changed to "Executions in the Third Reich" as I fear that would unleash an orgy of detail about the relative flesh penetrating power of the various calibres of fire arms and autopsy descriptions of bullet riddled bodies; similar to what has been written about beheadings.
Apart from publishing the names and circumstances of those who died opposing the regime I think that there is little else to be added to this topic.
Max
If not why are they mentioned here?
Even if there is a link to the TR, their executions were carried out years after it ceased to exist.
Likewise the many posts that deal with the pre TR era and the posts that deal with similarly detailed hangings are not relevant to this thread.
It seems to me that these people are included only to dwell on the macabre detail of their deaths.
It is one thing to honor the deaths of those who opposed the Nazi regime but quite another to dwell on the minutiae of the actual execution and equipment used.[Even to the extent of posts about model guillotine makers ]
If this level of detail is indeed necessary then perhaps the thread name should be changed to something more encompassing and kept within the time frame of the interest of this forum.
I hesitate to suggest that the name be changed to "Executions in the Third Reich" as I fear that would unleash an orgy of detail about the relative flesh penetrating power of the various calibres of fire arms and autopsy descriptions of bullet riddled bodies; similar to what has been written about beheadings.
Apart from publishing the names and circumstances of those who died opposing the regime I think that there is little else to be added to this topic.
Max
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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich
Pete26 -- The topic of this thread is "Beheadings in the Third Reich;" not beheadings generally. Please stay on topic when posting and responding to posts.
Heinrich Erbstößer
18 year old Heinrich Erbstößer was beheaded in Wolfenbuettel prison on 29 April 1943. This is another example of "people's pest regulation" death sentence.
https://www.kiz-online.de/content/fallb ... und-glockeIn diesem Jahr wurde an das Schicksal des gerade mal 18-jährigen Heinrich Erbstößer gedacht. Er wurde als Volksschädling verurteilt. Gestohlen hatte er Fahrräder, Gummistiefel, Geld und Lebensmittel. Das machte den im Heim aufgewachsenen Erbstößer zum „gefährlichen Gewohnheitsverbrecher“. Am 29. April 1943 wurde er hingerichtet.
Notice of execution of Johann August Malin
http://www.malingesellschaft.at/images/malin
Johann August Malin was guillotined in Stadelheim prison on 9 November 1942.
https://www.doew.at/cms/images/5elpf/or ... -Malin.png
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_August_Malin
Butzbach fallbeil
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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justizvol ... t_Butzbach
The article mentions that by 1937 seven people were beheaded by Butzbach fallbeil in Butzbach prison. After 1937 the fallbeil was moved to Frankfurt Preungesheim prison.
At least 100 people were guillotined in Frankfurt Preungesheim prison. Was the Butzbach fallbeil replaced in Frankfurt Preungesheim prison with a Tegel fallbeil at some point?
According to this article, there were 12 recorded execution in Butzbach prison between 1921 and 1937. The last execution took place on October 14, 1937 in the detention center Butzbach. Wilhelm Eckert, a 51-year-old prisoner, was beheaded by executioner Friedrich Hehr from Hanover. Note that according to the detailed records, Freidrich Hehr performed only one and the last execution in Butzbach prison. The executioner Burkhard from Endingen performed most executions.
The article also mentions that the original wooden fallbeil had to be shortened somewhat to fit into Butzbach prison execution chamber.
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Executions in Butzbach from 1921 to 1937
Richard Schmidt, November 5, 1921, by executioner Müller from Seckenheim - Elise Dörrzapf from Mainz, 1921, by executioner Müller from Seckenheim - Wilhelm Sauer, February 27, 1924, by executioner Burkhard from Endingen - Johann Pieroth from Gensingen, September 25, 1925 , by executioner Burkhard from Endingen - Adolf Steul, 19 January 1926, by executioner Burkhard from Endingen - Ludwig Büchler, 26 August 1933, by executioner Burkhard from Endingen - Leo Buchholz, 7 March 1934, by executioner Burkhard from Endingen - Valentin Kiefer, January 4, 1935, by executioner Burkhard from Endingen - Franz Becker, 11 July 1935, by executioner Burkhard from Endingen - Karl Dehmer, 20 December 1935, by executioner Burkhard from Endingen - Frieda Vogler, 5 February 1937, by Executioner Burkhard from Endingen - Wilhelm Eckert, 14 October 1937, by executioner Hehr from Hanover (Source: L. Liebmann: »The executions at the Butzbach cell-prisons«, published in » 100 years JVA Butzbach «)
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