Slovenian inhabitants according to plan

Nina van M. · Post by **Nina van M.** » 13 Nov 2003 13:17

For some time Ive been interested in this topic (Slovenia often because of its small number of inhabitants wasnt even mentioned). Ive read books, watch documentary films and so on but I still dont know for sure what was Hitlers real intention with Slovenes. Some of them are claiming that he treated us like other Slavs and we were supposed to be exterminated, some claim that we were mentioned for "germanisation" because we were suitable to his conception of "race" and sharing also a bit "germanic blood" with the Germans? Are there any official documents which could prove those claims?
I dont know exactly what to think when such contradictive informations are outhere

... Does anyone know something more; Kocjo, Locke, anybody else pehaps?

Thanks and regards from me, von Kluge

K.Kocjancic · Post by **K.Kocjancic** » 13 Nov 2003 13:31

Get your hands on "Nacistična raznarodovalna politika v Sloveniji v letih 1941-1945" and "Ukradeni otroci".

Nina van M. · Post by **Nina van M.** » 13 Nov 2003 16:31

Hvala ti, Kocjo. Ali mogoce ves se avtorje teh knjig, da bi jih lazje nasla?
Domnevam, da si jih sam prebral in me zanima tvoje mnenje?

Pozdrav od mene

(sorry, that was in our language-but here comes explanation of words written above)
TRANSLATION: Thank you, Kocjo. Do you maybe know who wrote those two books, so it would be easier for me to find them? I assume that you have allready read them and so I would like to hear your opinion?

Greetings from me

K.Kocjancic · Post by **K.Kocjancic** » 14 Nov 2003 00:25

First: my mentor prof.dr. Tone Ferenc, who died week before 1.11. this year.

Second don't know.

Uporab' COBISS.

In first you find a lot of data (about 800 pages), "Ukradeni otroci" is about modern days (WWII) Janičars. But note, that these are post-war (ex-regime) books - some BS about Germans is there present.

LP,
Kocjo

michael mills · Post by **michael mills** » 14 Nov 2003 06:10

One of the things Eichmann was charged with was deporting Slovenes from German-occupied Slovenia to Serbia.

K.Kocjancic · Post by **K.Kocjancic** » 14 Nov 2003 09:19

michael mills wrote:One of the things Eichmann was charged with was deporting Slovenes from German-occupied Slovenia to Serbia.

Yes, that is also in "Nacistična raznarodovalna politika....".

Nina van M. · Post by **Nina van M.** » 14 Nov 2003 17:26

Yes, Kocjo I have heard about prof. dr. Ferenc before. You knew him personally? He wrote many books on topics which nobody wanted and dared to touch in our slovenian modern history, related to WW2 and NOB as far as I can remember. We have lost a good man in his case

In this book "Ukradeni otroci"... sorry, but what did you mean by "BS about Germans is present"? (I know what you thought, but I would like to know the meaning of BS) Biased= pristransko?

As it seems, truth is again somwhere in-between...

Lep pozdrav tebi, Kocjo and greeting to all the other forumers, von Kluge

Southpower · Post by **Southpower** » 15 Nov 2003 20:24

Hitler said on 26th of april 1941 when he visited Maribor: "Make me this country again German!"
In the 1st wave from 7th of June 1941 to 5th July 1941 4500 Slovenes were deported to Serbia. 11th of July 2nd wave begun (6000 Slovenes). Now they werent deported to Serbia where they were well treated but to NDH (Croatian Fascist State) and Bosnia.
3rd wave (100.000 Slovenes) couldnt be realisated because of lack on labour force.
Primary plan was to dislodge 205.000 Serbs from NDH and Bosnia in time period of 3 years and to settle their homes with deported Slovenes.
So you can realise that Slovenes werent treated like they had some "Germanic blood" in themselves.
Plan was to germanise what can be germanised, to kill what rises against Third reich or to deport them to "Slavic regions".

cybercat · Post by **cybercat** » 23 Nov 2003 08:00

Hmm having seen the similarities displayed here between Slovenian and Serbo-Croatian, I think it's time I broadened my horizons and learnt to speak Slovenian.

Lep Pozdrav

John H. · Post by **John H.** » 23 Nov 2003 08:16

i can say thanks in slovenian...cool!

Nina van M. · Post by **Nina van M.** » 23 Nov 2003 21:45

Živjo, fanta! (Hi, guys!)
There are similarities between Serb, Croatian and Slovene language, of course. But amongst them Slovene is the "hard one" to learn, for sure. Would you dare to try

?We have many "specialities" and idiomatic expressions...
We can make a short course of basic Slovene phrases, if you want to learn more

... but of course not here, not on this topic.

Pozdrav, von Kluge

K.Kocjancic · Post by **K.Kocjancic** » 24 Nov 2003 01:01

And your teacher of Slovene language must be from Ljubljana or speaking "pure" Slovene. I know for some foreigners who were taught by non-Ljubljana region Slovenes and their Slovene was, let's say, not good.

michael mills · Post by **michael mills** » 24 Nov 2003 10:34

I once attended a lecture on the Slavic dialects of Yugoslavia. The aim of the lecture was Croat nationalist, aiming to prove on the basis of dialect distribution that the whole of Yugoslavia west of Serbia was once inhabited by Croats. Nevertheless, it was full of fascinating information.

It appears that the languages called Slovene, Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian are all entirely artificial constructs, and do not correspond to any actual dialectal differences.

According to the lecturer, the dialects spoken in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia ans Serbia are divided into three groups, Kajkavian, Chtokavian and Chakavian, based on the word for "what". These three groups do not correspond to any ethnic or geographic boundary, or to the four standard languages mentioned above.

Thus modern standard Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian are all based on a dialect spoken in Herzegovina, and belong to the same dialect group (I think it is chtokavian). Thus they are very similar.

Modern standard Slovenian is based on a dialect belonging to the Kajkavian group (at least that is what I remember from the lecture - correct me if I am wrong), and therefore differs markedly from the other three. However, the dialect of Zagreb is also Kajkavian, and so is closer to standard Slovenian than to standard Croatian.

In fact, as I recall from the lecture, different groups of Croats speak dialects belonging to all three groups; they have no linguistic unity, only an artificial cultural unity based on religion.

There is another way of classifying the dialects according to the pronunciation of "e"; ekavian, jekavian, ijekavian and ikavian. The dialects spoken in Serbia are ekavian, those spoken in Dalmatia are ikavian, and most of the dialects spoken in Croatia proper are ijekavian. I cannot remember which group the dialects spoken in Slovenia belong to.

But it all goes to show that the differences between the Slavic nations of the former Yugoslavia (except the Macedonians, who are really Western Bulgars) are highly artificial, and do not correspond to linguistic differences.

K.Kocjancic · Post by **K.Kocjancic** » 24 Nov 2003 10:53

Here's an old thred, dealing with Slovene/Slavic languange:
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... highlight=

Regards,
Kocjo

michael mills · Post by **michael mills** » 24 Nov 2003 11:08

Thanks for the link.

I believe the European language most closely related to Sanskrit is Lithuanian. I have read that Lithuanians can understand basic sentences in Sanskrit.

In any case, Lithuanian is certainly the most archaic Indo-European language spoken in Europe.