Hello, Jari
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In the question of independence all social classes were unanimous in their desire to break free from Russia. But the motives were not the same for all and that was one of the reasons that led to the Civil War. From Marxist point of view the reactionary forces won and revolution was crushed. As with almost any independence movement the learned elite was the initiator. In Finnish case the elite was often originally of Swedish speaking origin. The interesting feature was that many of them changed their language into Finnish because that was the only way of getting the message through to the “masses”.
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So you see – the “finnanization” didnt looks like offensive (or oppressive) measures to the RIGHTs of swedish elite ! Definetly – “russification” would had ABSOLYTELY the same impression (in the mind of finn-swedish elite) if ALL of THEM got garanteed FOREVER conservation of ALL PRIVILEGEs, personal right, incomes .... – ALL THIS THINGs that insure (FOREVER) the consentration power “inside” definite social STRATA in Finland.
So – the so called “russification” problem in reality was (and is till now) – not more then “political show upon minds of foolish masses” – or “cover story”.
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If [in this wild world] you have natural ability for balanced and proper mixing of the LIE and TRUTH – you are the lawyer.
If your professional possession require more LIE than TRUTH – then you are a diplomat.
If TRUTH – is absolutely bad thing to you and LIE looks like a “sugar” – you are a politician.
If you have a talant to hold in your arms and head - the all that mentioned above - you are prospective BUSINESSMEN.
If you know that LIE – is BAD and TRUTH is GOOD - Hmmmmmm.... thats means that you are some kind of low-bornee.
Thans about all.
<Give as a sign, please. Make you analogy between Finland an ANY other state in Europe (and <ANY autonomous areas in Russia) , whom Had so WIDE bag of personal and corporate <RIGHTS with same one’s of priveleges with ZERO-LIKE obligations to central goverment.
Your colleaque’s anwer – was “ No-one” It seems to me that it is not only “short in size”, but right in essense too.
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What I can say is that the famine hit Finland hard in 1869 and that the Finnish senate had to take a FIM 6 million loan from the Rotschild bank house.
<Finland’s Chronological Population profile (cities + urban areas): -
<1805 – 5.5 %
<1860 - 6.3 %
<1905 - 13.1 %
<Does that need any more comment ?????
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Heavy industries did not play any significant role in Finland prior to WWII..
Thats was your answer, So I till think that “ ..... this figures are selfeffisient and dont need any more comments”
<May I ask you to familize me with some example of Japaneese support to Finland in 1900-1905
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The Japanese tried to ignite a rebellion in Finland during the Russo-Japanese war in 1904. Kagaali was the organization they tried to use for their purposes. There were some attempts to smuggle arms into Finland but they mostly failed.
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What you do you mean when you say “mostly failed” ? Hundreds of Thousands of carabines, pistols, granades, .... tonns of illegal vodka transferred thrue the OPEN Finnish and ABSOLUTELY (for finn) formal border into Russia - are REALLY “mostly failed” ? What value of this “goods” would SELFCONSISTENT to you to say “ .... that was a good deal” !!! Onee million, Six million, Ten million carabines, pistols, granades, .... million tonns of illegal vodka .... ????
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I have never seen any information indicating the Finnish finances had been somehow especially dependent on Jewish bankers.
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Jari, I think that you need to lewerage you knowledge about Finn’s finance system dependence on Jewish bankers to proper understand why SOMEONE has an ability to sent a letter to finnish PM with ORDER to do something.
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<1. - Jewish criminal ring (anti-Russia) in Finland ( illegal vodka + weapons traffic)
<2. – Jewish TERRORIST network in Finland (Sestriretsk, Vyborg, Helsinki, etc/)
As long as the revolutionaries did not awake the attention of the Finnish police they were relatively safe on Finnish soil in late 19th century and almost until WWI. But the actions of the Russian revolutionary cells in Finland are not really my cup of tea.
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Thank, Jari for exelent explanation. I know this TYPICAL WESTERNEE THEORY about BAD and GOOD terrorists.
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– GOOD TERRORISTS – are not a terrorists, but good boys and freedom-fighter. All of them – are SONS of BEACH. But – this SONS of BEACH – is our SONS of BEACH ..... etc.
----BAD terrorists – is REAL TERRORISTS or freedom-fighter of our enemies ..... etc.
But you must know – that all DEALs with terrorists – are BAD DEALs.
This rule have havent any exeptions. This rule – is right rule even if you SIGN a DEAL with of HISTORICALLY-FIRST TERRORIST BANDA (Jewish-banda).
For this issue – dont be surprized to know that SOMEONE has an ability to sent you a letter or same one even to your PM with ORDER to do something......
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If they had been predomintaly “Jewish” in their character, they would certainly have drawn attention because before 1918 Jewish population in Finland did not have citizenship in the country.
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Did it mean that JEW were totally expelled from Finland ?
Or was them all totally outlawed by finns ?
Thank you.
