Finland and "Final Solution" in WWII?

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Post by Tapani K. » 07 Feb 2004 08:23

Earldor wrote:
To make it absolutely clear: Manninen only criticized the fact that Ylikangas and the media thought that the pow exchanges had not been mentioned before Sana's book.
In a TV interview Ylikangas also mentioned that this was was already known, but IIRC he commented that such a detailed study of the matter has not been dine until now. Sorry, I cannot remember which TV show that was, but I think ms. Sana was there, too.

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Post by Topspeed » 02 Aug 2004 12:59

I think the topic is totally wrong: Finland and the Final Solution in WW II

Finland had absolutely nothing to do with the invention called FINAL SOLUTION.

Finland kept dearly their few jews they had. By mistake and uncertainty 8 were handed out of which 7 died.

The exchange of foreign prisoners to Germany and Russia for finnish speaking prisoners is a normal conduct in a war.

Soviets in many many occasions shot finnish prisoners at site.

I don't think finnish army made a big difference between a Soviet prisoners who had attacked Finland with bayonets attached to make finland a communist puppet state. Finland fought for the very existence. I think it is lame to label Finns along with that FINAL SOLUTION. I am sure it makes finns a lot less happy and several more will commit a suicide than a previous year, but nothing can be really won with this kinda approach to the question.

I think people in the Braunes Haus admiring blue eyed nordic aryans have to take blame on the Final Solution 100 %.


Have a copacetic day !

Juke T / Finland :?
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Re: Finland and "Final Solution" in WWII?

Post by Topspeed » 02 Aug 2004 14:47

Grigorij Kastrioti wrote:I found fresh and interesting news considering extradition of refugees from Finland to Germany during WWII. To me this news is a quite ashtonising and strange, because as far as I have believed and also red from this forum, Finns refused to join to "Endlösnung der Judenfragen".

Could this be true?

"We are still reluctant to admit and share the European guilt," Sana said
Grigorij Kastrioti,

Since when was the excange of prisoners a deportation ? Finns certainly saw getting their own people back as a good deal. I want you to know that this kinda playing with the subject is misleading. I am not blaming you, because the huge mediacover on the subject was the intention of the bookmaker. I just think it was a low approach to an episode in a war. Elina Sana didn't quite become a new Solchenitzyn, even tought she really tried hard.

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Post by Mikko H. » 08 Mar 2007 07:32

Just found this rather interesting -- and critical -- article about Finland & Jews:

http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/Show ... 0&IID=1507

The historical facts are correct enough, but what do you think about how the article presents the present-day public discourse in Finland about these events?

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Post by Harri » 08 Mar 2007 12:57

There were many mistakes including Mannerheim as the Chief of staff, Soviet POWs in concentration camps and mention that only a few Finns were punished on war crimes after the war. The last one is not true, because about 300 Finnish sentries were sentenced for the killing of Soviet POWs alone after the war, not to talk about other cases. All accusations were investigated and if there were proves those involved in these crimes were sentenced.

The case of Arno Anthoni, Chief of State Police (Valpo) between 1.2.1941 - 29.2.1944, is different because he was released and even paid compensation after a rather odd "trial". It later appeared that the jugde knew Anthoni well: they both had been in the Finland - German Friendship Associasion.

Unlike claimed in the above text exchanging of POWs which it actually was is not a war crime (or was not in the 1940's). Finland received Finns, Estonians, Karelians and Ingrians in turn. Most captured Soviet Jews introduced themselves as Russians and they lived among Great-Russians (like Russians were called in Finland). It is likely Finns didn't even know who were actually Russians or for example Jews unless the POWs self told about it.

There is no need for any "truth commission" in Finland because all records are public and available for researchers. This is basically nothing totally new. The debate has mostly concerned about some numbers which have in some cases been estimates. The number of Jewish refugees in Finland was for example actually slightly bigger than was known.

About the case of the eight deported Jews Valpo handed over now seems (sources: Robert Alftan and Hannu Rautkallio) that Germans asked initially only for a one person (Dr.?) Walter Cohen (in some papers Kohen), who in fact was known on having a more or less criminal background. He although had so good "friends" and contacts in Finland that he could avoid yelding to Germans. Instead to satisfy Germans the Chief of State Police Arno Anthoni (most likely without authority) offered these eight poors who then were given to German hands before Anthoni's superiors noticed what was going on. The result we all know. The deported ones belonged to a small group of Jewish refugees who were in work service in Finland since late 1941 and were transported from a construction site to another until were moved to Suursaari island for fortification duties.

Some reading (in English):
http://agricola.utu.fi/nyt/arvos/arvost ... ostelu=667

(In Finnish):
http://agricola.utu.fi/tietosanomat/luo ... derman.php
http://agricola.utu.fi/nyt/arvos/arvost ... ostelu=667

(In Finnish with an English and Swedish summary):
http://www.helsinki.fi/~hylikang/varjopuo.htm

It is interesting that when Heinrich Himmler visited in Finland in the summer 1942 Finnish "Secret Service" could photograph the content of his briefcase which included the full list of all Jews living in Finland. It is told (but never confirmed) that Arno Anthoni had delivered that list to Germans when he had earlier visited in Germany. Anyway that was a clear message to the Finnish authorities on what was going on. Finns rejected all Himmler's proposals of deportations of Finnish Jews by telling that "there is no Jew problem in Finland".
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Post by Anne G, » 08 Mar 2007 13:30

Harri wrote: Wasn't that Gestapo thing handled already at the beginnig of 1970? I think there is a book called "Vakoilu Suomessa" [Espionage in Finland] and also a book (IIRC) "Gestapo Suomessa" [Gestapo in Finland] but I don't remember who wrote them.
"Gestapo Suomessa" by Ali Alava was published in 1974. "Erittäin salainen. Vakoilu Suomessa" by Jukka Rislakki was published in 1982.

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Re: Finland and "Final Solution" in WWII?

Post by Mikko H. » 18 Aug 2008 06:55

http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Leht ... 5238721719

My translation:

Finland handed over less Jews to Nazi Germany than previously thought

According to a recent study, Finland handed over to Nazi Germany during the Second World War less Jews than previously thought. Newspaper Keskisuomalainen writes that according to the newest information Finland handed over 51 Jews, 12 of them civilians.

In total Finland handed over to Germany during the Second World War 2,300 POWs who represented 54 different nationalities. This information in presented in a four-year study "Finland, prisoners of war and transferrals of people 1935-55" by the National Archives that ended in April.

The study started in 2004 after researcher Elina Sana stated in her book Luovutetut, published in 2003, that Finland handed over to German authorities 74 Jews.

Academy Professor Heikki Ylikangas thinks that Finland's role in the Holocaust of Jews must be cleared up. According to him that strenghtens Finland's international status as a country, that also studies problematic matters.

"The fact remains, that the majority of the Jewish civilian refugees in Finland, who came here after the occupation of Austria, were not handed over." Ylikangas says in Keskisuomalainen.

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