Are Allied "Crimes" really equal to the Holocaust?
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Now does'nt the above contradict what you tried to say about AH.Is that mean Stalin can be forgiven because it took him just some more time-less efficient?DetectorCollector wrote:If you would say in war time, no, nothing can be compared with the German holocaust war crime. Even the Crusaders in the Middle Ages can't be compared to the German crimes against humanity. Stalin has more kills on his name as Hitler only he had more time to do it.
I like how the West is trying to separate themself from their eastern warbuddies when it comes to unpleasantries about their glorious
partnership times.
It's such a hypocricy displayed when some ask ...Axis= Western Allies= Soviet atrocities.
At the time there was only a Allies=Axis situation.
With other words in summary. the "Allieds" had a lot more war murderous killings on their hands. And the West knew who they dealing with BEFORE they made a pact with the devil(Stalin).
I yes there is an excuse for it ... Realpolitik !
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/nazsov/sesupp1.htmI like how the West is trying to separate themself from their eastern warbuddies when it comes to unpleasantries about their glorious
partnership times.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/nazsov/dec939.htmThe undersigned plenipotentiaries, on concluding the German Russian Boundary and Friendship Treaty, have declared their agreement upon the following:
Both parties will tolerate in their territories no Polish agitation which affects the territories of the other party. They will suppress in their territories all beginnings of such agitation and inform each other concerning suitable measures for this purpose.
Moscow, September 28,1939.
For the Government of the German Retch:
J. RIBBENTROP
By authority of the Government of the U.S.S.R.:
W. MOLOTOV
After the Government of the German Reich and the Government of the U.S.S.R. have, by means of the treaty signed today, definitively settled the problems arising from the collapse of the Polish state and have thereby created a sure foundation for a lasting peace in Eastern Europe, they mutually express their conviction that it would serve the true interest of all peoples to put an end to the state of war existing a present between Germany on the one side and England and France on the other. Both Governments will therefore direct their common efforts, jointly with other friendly powers if occasion arises, toward attaining this goal as soon as possible.
Should, however, the efforts of the two Governments remain fruitless, this would demonstrate the fact that England and France are responsible for the continuation of the war, whereupon, in case of the continuation of the war, the Governments of Germany and of the U.S.S.R. shall engage in mutual consultations with regard to necessary measures.
Moscow, September 28,1939.
For the Government of the German Reich:
J. RIBBENTROP
By authority of the Government of the U.S.S.R.:
V. MOLOTOV
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Interesting topic, I'm sorry to see that only one other person has completed your form
Are Allied "Crimes" really equal to the Holocaust? Please fill in the blanks if you can:
Nazi = Soviet = Western Allies
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Coventry = Wilhelm Gustloff = Dresden
Völksdeutsch Re-Settlement = German Expulsions = Executive Order #9066.
Commissar Order = Katyn = Pattons speeches to the 45th division.
Concentration Camps = Gulags =
Death Camps = Kolyma =
Einsatzgruppen = NKVD =
Democide of Communists = Democide of Kulaks / Nationalistic Elements (Ukranians / Poles etc) = Forced Repatriation
Democide of Jehova's Witnesses = (See Above) = (See Above)
Democide of Homosexuals = (See Above) = (See Above)
Genocide of Jews = Tartars / Volga Germans / Chechyns = Bengal Famine (1943)
Genocide of Rommany = (See Above) = (See Above)
Are Allied "Crimes" really equal to the Holocaust? Please fill in the blanks if you can:
Nazi = Soviet = Western Allies
=================================
Coventry = Wilhelm Gustloff = Dresden
Völksdeutsch Re-Settlement = German Expulsions = Executive Order #9066.
Commissar Order = Katyn = Pattons speeches to the 45th division.
Concentration Camps = Gulags =
Death Camps = Kolyma =
Einsatzgruppen = NKVD =
Democide of Communists = Democide of Kulaks / Nationalistic Elements (Ukranians / Poles etc) = Forced Repatriation
Democide of Jehova's Witnesses = (See Above) = (See Above)
Democide of Homosexuals = (See Above) = (See Above)
Genocide of Jews = Tartars / Volga Germans / Chechyns = Bengal Famine (1943)
Genocide of Rommany = (See Above) = (See Above)
AFAIK Comissar order meant that all captured comissars have to be exterminated. But Katyn did not mean that all Poles captured on the territory of SU were to be exterminated.nny wrote:Interesting topic, I'm sorry to see that only one other person has completed your form
Are Allied "Crimes" really equal to the Holocaust? Please fill in the blanks if you can:
Nazi = Soviet = Western Allies
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Commissar Order = Katyn = Pattons speeches to the 45th division.
In this context "Kolyma" is just a part of GULAG and if in your text you recognize the existence of death camps in Germany then neither camps in Kolyma nor any other camps of GULAG fit the definition of death camps if a "death camp" is not just a graphic speech token but a practical deat works.nny wrote: Concentration Camps = Gulags =
Death Camps = Kolyma =
Well with all due respect the deportation of Krimean Tartars and Volga Germans as well as Chechens were not equal to Genocide.nny wrote: Genocide of Jews = Tartars / Volga Germans / Chechyns = Bengal Famine (1943)
Genocide of Rommany = (See Above) = (See Above)
NNY wrote:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=80207
Andy H
The link you make between the Genocide of the Jews and that of the Bengal Famine is a lost cause. In the thread link below everyone apart from the author of the thread seems to be arguing against it. Incompetence doesn't equal GenocideGenocide of Jews = Tartars / Volga Germans / Chechyns = Bengal Famine (1943)
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=80207
Andy H
Karman
No matter how you slice it,but good ole USSR had already up to 10 million of its own people systematicly killed or slaughtered,BEFORE WWII started.If it comes to the numbers game,I don't think Communism can ever be beat.
PS Your handle reminds me of the great fun it was when I drove the Karman-Ghia I owned some time ago.
No matter how you slice it,but good ole USSR had already up to 10 million of its own people systematicly killed or slaughtered,BEFORE WWII started.If it comes to the numbers game,I don't think Communism can ever be beat.
PS Your handle reminds me of the great fun it was when I drove the Karman-Ghia I owned some time ago.
Many times on this forum many people have placed many articles produced by both Russian and foreign authors quoting the archives that gave the figures of Stalin's terror. If you except the Civil War no one can make the figures up to 10 million "systematicly killed or slaughtered" save those who still believe in scary fair tales.Landser wrote:Karman
No matter how you slice it,but good ole USSR had already up to 10 million of its own people systematicly killed or slaughtered,BEFORE WWII started.If it comes to the numbers game,I don't think Communism can ever be beat.
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What exactly is your source for 10 million?Landser wrote:Karman
No matter how you slice it,but good ole USSR had already up to 10 million of its own people systematicly killed or slaughtered,BEFORE WWII started.If it comes to the numbers game,I don't think Communism can ever be beat.
PS Your handle reminds me of the great fun it was when I drove the Karman-Ghia I owned some time ago.