Nazifying the Germans

[Roberto]

Einstein was born in Ulm the 14th March 1879.

Great !! That makes Einstein a Swabian who grew up on dumplings and Spaetzle

That's probably what he considered himself to be before the Nazis made him aware that he was a Jew.

Sure enough. And soon after he stopped being a Swabian, Einstein didn't like being a Jew either, because he wrote this nasty letter to the New York Times, printed December 4, 1948, signed by 28 prominent Jews, including Hannah Arent, and Sidney Hook.

"Among the disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party," a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy, and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

"The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatsoever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy, and anti-imperialism, whereas recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist State. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character: From its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

"A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. The terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplified the character of the Freedom Party.

"Within the Jewish community they have preached a mixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other fascist parties, they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of the trade unions. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them; adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window smashing and widespread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute..."

HRRRMPH !!

A great fellow, old Albert. But were in this letter does it become apparent that he didn't like being a Jew? I like being a German, even though the country has produced such lovely characters as Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich, Göring, Frank, Kaltenbrunner, Streicher, ...

[Mensch Meyer]

Einstein was born in Ulm the 14th March 1879.

Great !! That makes Einstein a Swabian who grew up on dumplings and Spaetzle

That's probably what he considered himself to be before the Nazis made him aware that he was a Jew.

Sure enough. And soon after he stopped being a Swabian, Einstein didn't like being a Jew either, because he wrote this nasty letter to the New York Times, printed December 4, 1948, signed by 28 prominent Jews, including Hannah Arent, and Sidney Hook.

"A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. The terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplified the character of the Freedom Party.
-----"Within the Jewish community they have preached a mixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other fascist parties, they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of the trade unions. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them; adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window smashing and widespread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute..."
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A great fellow, old Albert. But were in this letter does it become apparent that he didn't like being a Jew? I like being a German, even though the country has produced such lovely characters as Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich, Göring, Frank, Kaltenbrunner, Streicher, ...

And being a German you mustn't forget your 150.000 fellow - Jewish heros who served in Hitler's Army, among them the names of:

Hermann Aub ; Horst Geitner was awarded both the Iron Cross; Werner Goldberg, who was blond and blue-eyed, was used by a Nazi propaganda newspaper for its title page. Its caption: "The Ideal German Soldier."; Commander Paul Ascher, Admiral Lütjens's first staff officer on the battleship Bismarck; Admiral Bernhard Rogge awarded the Ritterkreuz; Johannes Zukertort, top grade general; Colonel Walter H. Hollaender, decorated with the Ritterkreuz and German-Cross in Gold; Luftwaffe General Helmut Wilberg, (Military awards: Hohenzollern's Knight's Cross with Swords, EKI, EKII.) and Fieldmarshal Erhard Milch, who was awarded the Ritterkreuz for his performance during the campaign in Norway in 1940. Nice fellows among your kinfolk.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html

As you say -" Einstein is a great fellow." After all, he had the courage to express in his important message to the world already in 1948 his assessment of the racist Zionist movement, excerpt:

EINSTEIN: "Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine, bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike) and misrepresentation are means, and a 'Leader State' [i.e. 'Fuehrerstaat,' as in Nazi Germany] is the goal."

I'm still waiting for your comment on these specific details of Einstein's opinion (above)...

It's been amusing to watch when historically Israel likes to claim Einstein as their own - whenever convenient. The fact is that he is the product of Western Civilization and Education - specifically German - as a student of Max Planck. If he had been the Hebrews' Einstein, he would have been compelled to record his Theory of Relativity on a scroll in a lonely Deadsea Cave...

Einstein proved that his relatity indeed was relevant when he raised the question: " Did the chicken really cross the road - or did the road move beneath the chicken?... "

BTW, thanks to Einstein, the Germans lost another momentous legacy in the dustbin of its history... Albert Einstein's last words were spoken in German. But since the attending nurse did not know the language -- the world will never know what he said...

[Roberto]

A great fellow, old Albert. But were in this letter does it become apparent that he didn't like being a Jew? I like being a German, even though the country has produced such lovely characters as Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich, Göring, Frank, Kaltenbrunner, Streicher, ...

And being a German you mustn't forget your 150.000 fellow - Jewish heros who served in Hitler's Army, among them the names of:

Hermann Aub ; Horst Geitner was awarded both the Iron Cross; Werner Goldberg, who was blond and blue-eyed, was used by a Nazi propaganda newspaper for its title page. Its caption: "The Ideal German Soldier."; Commander Paul Ascher, Admiral Lütjens's first staff officer on the battleship Bismarck; Admiral Bernhard Rogge awarded the Ritterkreuz; Johannes Zukertort, top grade general; Colonel Walter H. Hollaender, decorated with the Ritterkreuz and German-Cross in Gold; Luftwaffe General Helmut Wilberg, (Military awards: Hohenzollern's Knight's Cross with Swords, EKI, EKII.) and Fieldmarshal Erhard Milch, who was awarded the Ritterkreuz for his performance during the campaign in Norway in 1940. Nice fellows among your kinfolk.

Any of them a lot nicer than Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich, Göring, Frank, Kaltenbrunner, Streicher, ...

As you say -" Einstein is a great fellow." After all, he had the courage to express in his important message to the world already in 1948 his assessment of the racist Zionist movement, excerpt:

EINSTEIN: "Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine, bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike) and misrepresentation are means, and a 'Leader State' [i.e. 'Fuehrerstaat,' as in Nazi Germany] is the goal."

I'm still waiting for your comment on these specific details of Einstein's opinion (above)...

Einstein was right. Begin's Irgun Zwai Leumi was a Fascist organization. Fortunately there was also the more moderate Haganah, which eventually prevailed over Begin's extremists.

The subsequent mumblings I will let old Meyer be happy with. They say more about his mind than I possibly could.

[Mensch Meyer]

The subsequent mumblings I will let old Meyer be happy with. They say more about his mind than I possibly could.

No suprise - still no subsstance. Only personal attacks.

[viriato]

Roberto wrote:

Einstein was right. Begin's Irgun Zwai Leumi was a Fascist organization. Fortunately there was also the more moderate Haganah, which eventually prevailed over Begin's extremists.

Are you sure of that? It seems to me that if it were not for the Irgun the independence of Israel would be dragging for some years more and a worse settlement for the Israelis (this from a point of view of the majority of israelis of course) would have been achieved. If we could make a comparison (with some faults I know) with Northern Ireland the Irgun as the IRA made the British government settle for some agreement (or more likely an abandonment... 8) ) that paved the way to a completely distinct new situation, independence in the case of Israel and the arrival to the political center stage of a large segment of the till than unrepresentated Irish Catholics in the case of NI.

[Davey Boy]

Hey Meyer, so what are you trying to say exactly? That Einstein was more German than Jewish? Maybe he felt more German than Jewish (though you haven't proved that here), but if you ask most people, they'll tell you he was a Jew. So, at large, he's known as a Jew, not as a German. Maybe you should start an education campaign to right that wrong, if, indeed, it is a wrong. Good luck with that.

[viriato]

Hetman wrote:

...but if you ask most people, they'll tell you he was a Jew. So, at large, he's known as a Jew, not as a German.

This is the first time I read that Einstein is known as a Jew and not as a German. Who spread this theory? Hitler, Goebbels?

By the way he received the Nobel Prize as a German not as... a Jew.

[Siegfried Wilhelm]

Uh...getting back to the original question of this thread; why are the Germans singled out to 'never forget' about their past misdeeds. My theory follows along with Finklestein's book (can't remember his first name off hand), named "The Holocaust Industry" wherein he differentiates between the 'Nazi holocaust' (lower case), which is pretty much idisputable fact, and 'The Holocaust ' (upper case). I won't go into all the details since it's been a couple of years since I read it, but basicly this whole thing largely stems from a way the various 'Holocaust' (upper case again) groups--not the actual victims and their families--can extort money from almost anyone they can. It is in their interests to keep the thing formost in the public eye in effort to do this.
What is missing from so much of these H/holocaust (either case you want) debates is what about all the OTHER folks who 'went up the chimney' as it were. The retarded, Gypsies, Jehova's Witnesses, homosexuals, Christian democrats, and a host of other catagories that the Nazis in their infifnite wisdom felt the world would be better off without.

[Siegfried Wilhelm]

Just did a quick check. The full name of the book is:
"The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering", by Norman G. Finklestein. (Nov. 2001)
It is readily available in most booksellers and is a real eye opener on this very subject.
Lest anyone questions Finklestein's motives I might add that both his parents were in Aushwitz. He is also a respected university professor with several other books under his name.

[Dan]

Just did a quick check. The full name of the book is:
"The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering", by Norman G. Finklestein. (Nov. 2001)
It is readily available in most booksellers and is a real eye opener on this very subject.
Lest anyone questions Finklestein's motives I might add that both his parents were in Aushwitz. He is also a respected university professor with several other books under his name.

Are you sure he is still a professor? Last I heard the Jewish community in New York got him fired.

[Mensch Meyer]

Just did a quick check. The full name of the book is:
"The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering", by Norman G. Finklestein. (Nov. 2001)
It is readily available in most booksellers and is a real eye opener on this very subject.
Lest anyone questions Finklestein's motives I might add that both his parents were in Aushwitz. He is also a respected university professor with several other books under his name.

Yes I am aware of his book, and the up-roar it caused. Amazon shows numerous interesting reviews.

The horse is out of the barn, thanks to the shameless machinations of those who keep the holocaust guilt fueled, and to powerful American Jews who recently even got the US Congress and President Clinton signed on, in pressuring (black-mailing) German taxpayers to compensate additional billions for an event that happened on foreign soil, perpetrated by foreigners upon other foreigners -- fifty year ago. Today many sources, including the internet, present outspoken views on the shameless expediency and blatant greed of those who profit - at the cost of dignity of the victims.

Here is the heading of one link that I happened to run across recently:

Understanding the 6-Million-Fortune better

"Suppose they [the Germans] pay for six million Jews, but when the reparations period is over, ... where will you get six million more Jews so that you can get more money?"

(contd) "Yohanan Bader’s worries in 1952, that after the agreed upon "restitution-payments" were paid-up by the Germans, no more money would be coming in, were totally unfounded. Shmuel Dayan (Mapai) was much more aware about Jewish cunningness after the restitution-agreement with the Adenauer government when he exclaimed joyfully: "A glick hot unz getrofen (lucky us!) - six million Jews were murdered and we can get some money!" (2)

(contd) "Those far-sighted Jews of genius invested in a memorial for the remembrance of 6 million "gassed" Jews at a time, when no one new about gassed Jews. A future investment into the age of remembrance in order to be blessed with an eternal flow of money: "The fact that the Yad Vashem memorial site was already being planned in 1942 reveals a functionalist relationship to the Holocaust ... Thoughts had turned to the immortalization of the Shoah even while most of the victims were still alive..."

More:

http://globalfire.tv/nj/e2000/judaism/labourpay-e.htm

[Mensch Meyer]

Just did a quick check. The full name of the book is:
"The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering", by Norman G. Finklestein. (Nov. 2001)

Here is a fine article on both the author and the book

http://www.salon.com/books/int/2000/08/ ... index.html

[Roberto]

The subsequent mumblings I will let old Meyer be happy with. They say more about his mind than I possibly could.

No suprise - still no subsstance. Only personal attacks.

That's what could be said on Meyer, not of me. What "substance" has he provided so far?

[Roberto]

(contd) "Yohanan Bader’s worries in 1952, that after the agreed upon "restitution-payments" were paid-up by the Germans, no more money would be coming in, were totally unfounded.

Boy, what an ignorant prick. Someone should call to his attention the basic fact on German compensation payments that can be found in an official site of the German government kindly provided by Meyer himself (who obviously still hasn’t understood what is written in there):

State payments made by the Federal Republic of Germany in the area of indemnification

Since the foundation of the Federal Republic of Germany the efforts to atone for injustice suffered during the period of National Socialism have been one of the main tasks of German politics. For all the Federal Governments to date it has been clear that no amount of money, however large, could compensate for the crimes perpetrated by the Nazi state. No indemnification agreement, no matter how comprehensive it might be, could do justice to the demands for indemnification for the suffering of people persecuted by the Nazi regime. It should, however, be attempted by means of the compensation payments to relieve the injustice at least in material terms. Hence a comprehensive indemnification system has been built up in the Federal Republic of Germany since 1951, which has been continued and extended by the unified state of Germany since 1990.

The undertaking to make indemnification payments became an integral component part of the Transference Convention which was ratified in 1952 and put into force in 1955. The determination of certain regulations relating to indemnification was made out in the agreement between the Federal Republic of Germany, the state of Israel and various Jewish organisations which was signed in Luxembourg on 10 September 1952. The Federal Republic of Germany committed itself therein to the payment of DM 3 billion to the state of Israel as well as a further DM 450 million to the Jewish Claims Conference.

In the following years the German Bundestag passed a large number of additional laws and the Federal Government concluded an agreement on the payment of indemnification. The most important statutory fundamentals relating to indemnification regulate the respective individual claims. Here, it deals on the one hand with:

Compensation
1 October 1953: Supplementary Federal Law for the Compensation of the Victims of National Socialist Persecution (BEG)

29 June 1956: Federal Law for the Compensation of the Victims of National Socialist Persecution


14 September 1965: The Final Federal Compensation Law


and on the other hand with:

Restitution
19 July 1957: Federal Restitution Law (BRüG)


The BEG regulates the claims of persons who were persecuted on account of their political convictions, for reasons of race, belief or due to their philosophy of life and as a result suffered physical injury or material loss, in particular loss of life, bodily harm or harm to their health, loss of property and assets as well as the hindering of their professional and financial advancement.

In the case of BRüG it concerns the return of individual, ascertainable assets which were taken away from them by the National Socialist persecution measures (for reasons of race, religion, life philosophy, nationality or political opposition) or, in the event that these no longer exist, in the form of compensation for the value of the property or compensation for damages.

In addition, the Federal Republic of Germany concluded overall agreements bilaterally with 12 European states between 1959 and 1964 which benefited nationals from these states and made a sum of almost DM 1 billion available, which should be distributed to the injured parties by the corresponding states themselves.

In the Unification Treaty of 31 August 1990 the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic pledged themselves to the continuation of the Federal Republic's policy of indemnification. Moreover, an additional fund was set up for such victims of Nazi persecution who had not received any or only limited indemnification up to that point in time. In this way the unified state of Germany paid attention to the fact that the German Democratic Republic, for economic and ideological reasons, had not consistently paid out compensation for the injustice perpetrated by the Nazi regime.

The details were laid down in a treaty with the Jewish Claims Conference in October 1992, which extended the catalogue of payments for claimants, to include those from the former communist states, who now were living in different states.

The Federal Government made out indemnification payments to Nazi victims in east European countries via special foundations for those living in the former Warsaw Pact states who had been persecuted. The Federal Republic of Germany provided funds to a value of DM 1.5 billion for the foundations in White Russia, the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Poland. Supplementing the foundation agreements, a sum of DM 80 million was approved for victims at the hands of the Nazis in the east European states who were not reached by the above mentioned foundations. Both the one-off payments granted by the foundations and the DM 80 million in individual payments which were granted amount to an average payment of DM 1,000 per individual case. To date the foundations have granted payments to a value of approximately DM 1 billion to 1.4 million entitled persons.

In the "German-Czech Declaration Regarding Mutual relations and their Future Development" of 21 January 1997 the Federal Government approved DM 140 million for the German-Czech future fund, towards which the Czech side donated DM 25 million. The foundation fund should particularly benefit victims of National Socialist violence.

On 12 January 1998 the Federal Government and the Jewish Claims Conference agreed upon the foundation of a fund which will support Jews persecuted in East Europe by the Nazis, who are needy and have not received any indemnification thus far (with the exception of the DM 1,000 mentioned above). The Federal Government will pay out a financial contribution of DM 200 million, spread over 4 years, from 1999 to the year 2002. The terms of agreement relating to the payments will be determined by the legally and economically responsible body of the new fund itself. In particular regular monthly pensions of up to DM 500 are to be paid out of this fund. The appraisal of the payments being made in an individual case and the administration of the funds is the sole responsibility of the Jewish Claims Conference.

The German payments in the area of indemnification amounted to more than DM 100 billion by 1 January 1999. In addition a further sum of far more than DM 20 billion in public sector indemnification payments is planned for the following years.

The total payments from public sector funds based on the various law regulations can be seen from the following overview.

Amount in billion Deutschmarks


I.

Payments to date


1. Federal Indemnification Law (BEG)

79.648

2. Federal Restitution Law (BRüG)

3.955

3. Compensatory Pension Law (ERG)

0.987


4. Israel treaty

3.450


5. Overall agreements with individual states (and similar)

2.563


6. Other payments (payments not covered by I.1 to I.3)

8.800


7. Payments by German federal states not included in BEG

2.546


8. Settlement of hardship cases (without federal states)


1.991


total


103.940


II.

Future payments



BEG

15.352


BrüG

0.045


ERG

0.613


Overall agreements (and similar)

0.357


Other payments

1.200


Payments by the federal states not included in BEG

0.954


Settlement of hardship cases (without federal states)

4.539


total


23.060


III.

Probable total payments


BEG

95.000


BRüG

4.000


ERG

1.600


Israel treaty

3.450


Overall agreements (and similar)

2.920


Other payments

10.000


Payments by federal states not included in BEG

3.500


Settlement of hardship cases (without federal states)


6.530


total

127.000


Status: 1 January 1999


The payments in accordance with the Federal Indemnification Law (BEG) and the Federal Restitution Law (BRüG) are broken down into 20% domestic payments, 40% payments to Israel and the remainder for the rest of the world.

As regards the pension payments in accordance with the BEG, 15% remain in and an 85% share is sent abroad.

In the period from 1 October 1953 to 31 December 1987 4,384,138 claims for indemnification in accordance with the Federal Amending Law for the indemnification of victims of National Socialist persecution (BErgG) of 18 September 1953 (BGBI (Federal Law Gazette).I page 1387), in accordance with the Federal Law to Indemnify Victims of National Socialist Persecution (Federal Indemnification Law - BEG) of 29 June 1956 (BGBI.I page 559) and in accordance with the Second Law on the Amendment of the Federal Indemnification Law (BEG-Final Law) of 14 September 1965 (BGBI.I page 1315), were made and resolved in the following way:

Granted:

2,014,142


Rejections

1,246,571


Other settlements (e.g. retractions)

1,123,425

The number of claimants has not been statistically recorded. It is not identical with the number of claims made, as according to a statement made by the respective federal states responsible for the implementation of the Federal Indemnification Law (BEG), each rightful claimant makes more than one claim on average. The exact number of valid claims made by each claimant cannot be deduced.

The number of claims and settlements made between 1 January 1988 and the present day is so slight that it is longer statistically recorded by the states.

The proceedings in accordance with the BRüG have been concluded all bar an insignificant remainder.

Not included in the overview are sundry payments which cannot be quantified which amount to billions of marks in accordance with other regulations, such as the "Law on the Treatment of Victims of National Socialist Persecution in the Area of Social Security", the "Federal Law on the Reparation for National Socialist Injustice in the Area of War Victims' Relief) and in accordance with the General War Consequences Law.

Payments by federal states not included in BEG up to 31 December 1998


Amounts in DM '000s

Baden-Württemberg

70,982

Bavaria

99,885

Berlin

911,075

Bremen

19,305

Hamburg

139,271

Hesse

109,387

Lower Saxony

152,567

North Rhine-Westphalia

939,314

Rhineland-Palatinate

56,467

Saarland

1,690

Schleswig-Holstein

46,426



total

2,546,369

Source of quote: See my post of Mon Jun 03, 2002 5:36 pm on the thread

Can anyone help me with this
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB2/v ... e874#28793

Emphases are mine.

(contd) "Those far-sighted Jews of genius invested in a memorial for the remembrance of 6 million "gassed" Jews at a time, when no one new about gassed Jews.

Getting better. How about someone telling this clown that only roughly half of the five to six million Jewish victims of the Nazi genocide perished in gas vans or the gas chambers of the extermination camps? The rest were shot by Einsatzgruppen, police units and other German formations or perished in a number of ways in ghettoes and concentration camps.

[Mensch Meyer]

(contd) "Yohanan Bader’s worries in 1952, that after the agreed upon "restitution-payments" were paid-up by the Germans, no more money would be coming in, were totally unfounded.

Boy, what an ignorant prick. Someone should call to his attention the basic fact on German compensation payments that can be found in an official site of the German government kindly provided by Meyer himself (who obviously still hasn’t understood what is written in there):

State payments made by the Federal Republic of Germany in the area of indemnification

Since the foundation of the Federal Republic of Germany the efforts to atone for injustice suffered during the period of National Socialism have been one of the main tasks of German politics. For all the Federal Governments to date it has been clear that no amount of money, however large, could compensate for the crimes perpetrated by the Nazi state. No indemnification agreement, no matter how comprehensive it might be, could do justice to the demands for indemnification for the suffering of people persecuted by the Nazi regime. It should, however, be attempted by means of the compensation payments to relieve the injustice at least in material terms. Hence a comprehensive indemnification system has been built up in the Federal Republic of Germany since 1951, which has been continued and extended by the unified state of Germany since 1990.

The undertaking to make indemnification payments became an integral component part of the Transference Convention which was ratified in 1952 and put into force in 1955. The determination of certain regulations relating to indemnification was made out in the agreement between the Federal Republic of Germany, the state of Israel and various Jewish organisations which was signed in Luxembourg on 10 September 1952. The Federal Republic of Germany committed itself therein to the payment of DM 3 billion to the state of Israel as well as a further DM 450 million to the Jewish Claims Conference.

In the following years the German Bundestag passed a large number of additional laws and the Federal Government concluded an agreement on the payment of indemnification. The most important statutory fundamentals relating to indemnification regulate the respective individual claims. Here, it deals on the one hand with:

Compensation
1 October 1953: Supplementary Federal Law for the Compensation of the Victims of National Socialist Persecution (BEG)

29 June 1956: Federal Law for the Compensation of the Victims of National Socialist Persecution


14 September 1965: The Final Federal Compensation Law


and on the other hand with:

Restitution
19 July 1957: Federal Restitution Law (BRüG)


The BEG regulates the claims of persons who were persecuted on account of their political convictions, for reasons of race, belief or due to their philosophy of life and as a result suffered physical injury or material loss, in particular loss of life, bodily harm or harm to their health, loss of property and assets as well as the hindering of their professional and financial advancement.

In the case of BRüG it concerns the return of individual, ascertainable assets which were taken away from them by the National Socialist persecution measures (for reasons of race, religion, life philosophy, nationality or political opposition) or, in the event that these no longer exist, in the form of compensation for the value of the property or compensation for damages.

In addition, the Federal Republic of Germany concluded overall agreements bilaterally with 12 European states between 1959 and 1964 which benefited nationals from these states and made a sum of almost DM 1 billion available, which should be distributed to the injured parties by the corresponding states themselves.

In the Unification Treaty of 31 August 1990 the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic pledged themselves to the continuation of the Federal Republic's policy of indemnification. Moreover, an additional fund was set up for such victims of Nazi persecution who had not received any or only limited indemnification up to that point in time. In this way the unified state of Germany paid attention to the fact that the German Democratic Republic, for economic and ideological reasons, had not consistently paid out compensation for the injustice perpetrated by the Nazi regime.

The details were laid down in a treaty with the Jewish Claims Conference in October 1992, which extended the catalogue of payments for claimants, to include those from the former communist states, who now were living in different states.

The Federal Government made out indemnification payments to Nazi victims in east European countries via special foundations for those living in the former Warsaw Pact states who had been persecuted. The Federal Republic of Germany provided funds to a value of DM 1.5 billion for the foundations in White Russia, the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Poland. Supplementing the foundation agreements, a sum of DM 80 million was approved for victims at the hands of the Nazis in the east European states who were not reached by the above mentioned foundations. Both the one-off payments granted by the foundations and the DM 80 million in individual payments which were granted amount to an average payment of DM 1,000 per individual case. To date the foundations have granted payments to a value of approximately DM 1 billion to 1.4 million entitled persons.

In the "German-Czech Declaration Regarding Mutual relations and their Future Development" of 21 January 1997 the Federal Government approved DM 140 million for the German-Czech future fund, towards which the Czech side donated DM 25 million. The foundation fund should particularly benefit victims of National Socialist violence.

On 12 January 1998 the Federal Government and the Jewish Claims Conference agreed upon the foundation of a fund which will support Jews persecuted in East Europe by the Nazis, who are needy and have not received any indemnification thus far (with the exception of the DM 1,000 mentioned above). The Federal Government will pay out a financial contribution of DM 200 million, spread over 4 years, from 1999 to the year 2002. The terms of agreement relating to the payments will be determined by the legally and economically responsible body of the new fund itself. In particular regular monthly pensions of up to DM 500 are to be paid out of this fund. The appraisal of the payments being made in an individual case and the administration of the funds is the sole responsibility of the Jewish Claims Conference.

The German payments in the area of indemnification amounted to more than DM 100 billion by 1 January 1999. In addition a further sum of far more than DM 20 billion in public sector indemnification payments is planned for the following years.

The total payments from public sector funds based on the various law regulations can be seen from the following overview.

Amount in billion Deutschmarks


I.

Payments to date


1. Federal Indemnification Law (BEG)

79.648

2. Federal Restitution Law (BRüG)

3.955

3. Compensatory Pension Law (ERG)

0.987


4. Israel treaty

3.450


5. Overall agreements with individual states (and similar)

2.563


6. Other payments (payments not covered by I.1 to I.3)

8.800


7. Payments by German federal states not included in BEG

2.546


8. Settlement of hardship cases (without federal states)


1.991


total


103.940


II.

Future payments



BEG

15.352


BrüG

0.045


ERG

0.613


Overall agreements (and similar)

0.357


Other payments

1.200


Payments by the federal states not included in BEG

0.954


Settlement of hardship cases (without federal states)

4.539


total


23.060


III.

Probable total payments


BEG

95.000


BRüG

4.000


ERG

1.600


Israel treaty

3.450


Overall agreements (and similar)

2.920


Other payments

10.000


Payments by federal states not included in BEG

3.500


Settlement of hardship cases (without federal states)


6.530


total

127.000


Status: 1 January 1999


The payments in accordance with the Federal Indemnification Law (BEG) and the Federal Restitution Law (BRüG) are broken down into 20% domestic payments, 40% payments to Israel and the remainder for the rest of the world.

As regards the pension payments in accordance with the BEG, 15% remain in and an 85% share is sent abroad.

In the period from 1 October 1953 to 31 December 1987 4,384,138 claims for indemnification in accordance with the Federal Amending Law for the indemnification of victims of National Socialist persecution (BErgG) of 18 September 1953 (BGBI (Federal Law Gazette).I page 1387), in accordance with the Federal Law to Indemnify Victims of National Socialist Persecution (Federal Indemnification Law - BEG) of 29 June 1956 (BGBI.I page 559) and in accordance with the Second Law on the Amendment of the Federal Indemnification Law (BEG-Final Law) of 14 September 1965 (BGBI.I page 1315), were made and resolved in the following way:

Granted:

2,014,142


Rejections

1,246,571


Other settlements (e.g. retractions)

1,123,425

The number of claimants has not been statistically recorded. It is not identical with the number of claims made, as according to a statement made by the respective federal states responsible for the implementation of the Federal Indemnification Law (BEG), each rightful claimant makes more than one claim on average. The exact number of valid claims made by each claimant cannot be deduced.

The number of claims and settlements made between 1 January 1988 and the present day is so slight that it is longer statistically recorded by the states.

The proceedings in accordance with the BRüG have been concluded all bar an insignificant remainder.

Not included in the overview are sundry payments which cannot be quantified which amount to billions of marks in accordance with other regulations, such as the "Law on the Treatment of Victims of National Socialist Persecution in the Area of Social Security", the "Federal Law on the Reparation for National Socialist Injustice in the Area of War Victims' Relief) and in accordance with the General War Consequences Law.

Payments by federal states not included in BEG up to 31 December 1998


Amounts in DM '000s

Baden-Württemberg

70,982

Bavaria

99,885

Berlin

911,075

Bremen

19,305

Hamburg

139,271

Hesse

109,387

Lower Saxony

152,567

North Rhine-Westphalia

939,314

Rhineland-Palatinate

56,467

Saarland

1,690

Schleswig-Holstein

46,426



total

2,546,369

Source of quote: See my post of Mon Jun 03, 2002 5:36 pm on the thread

Can anyone help me with this
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB2/v ... e874#28793

Emphases are mine.

(contd) "Those far-sighted Jews of genius invested in a memorial for the remembrance of 6 million "gassed" Jews at a time, when no one new about gassed Jews.

Getting better. How about someone telling this clown that only roughly half of the five to six million Jewish victims of the Nazi genocide perished in gas vans or the gas chambers of the extermination camps? The rest were shot by Einsatzgruppen, police units and other German formations or perished in a number of ways in ghettoes and concentration camps.

AGAIN:

I am beginning to accept that you are incapable to respond to one single issue without re-posting over and again your old canned Nizcor schlock - or you simply rebut with methods of incitement, name-calling and personal attacks any poster who you disagree with...

You bring nothing to the debate.