Plunder in Postwar Germany.

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Post by James » 28 Jun 2002, 17:59

Mr. Meyer:

For whatever reason, you have apparently chosen to interpret my question as relating solely to money and goods taken from Jews. If that is why you have chosen to talk about the U.S. space program instead of what I asked, let me modify my question to exclude from its scope whatever may have been taken from the Jews. Now, having said that, do you have any comment to make on the observation that Germany took huge amounts of money, art and goods from the nations of occupied Europe and that, in considering the amount of reparations Germany was forced to make, those plundered items ought to be taken into account?

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Post by Mensch Meyer » 29 Jun 2002, 21:57

James wrote:Mr. Meyer:

For whatever reason, you have apparently chosen to interpret my question as relating solely to money and goods taken from Jews. If that is why you have chosen to talk about the U.S. space program instead of what I asked, let me modify my question to exclude from its scope whatever may have been taken from the Jews. Now, having said that, do you have any comment to make on the observation that Germany took huge amounts of money, art and goods from the nations of occupied Europe and that, in considering the amount of reparations Germany was forced to make, those plundered items ought to be taken into account?
Can you accept that I'm not interested in "jews?" Their losses have been repaid and are still being repaid to this day in more preferential ways than all of Europeans' losses combined. MY subject is about assets plundered from Germans after WWII ... But you are welcome to go off on your own tangent - be my guest.

Having dealt with Wernher von Braun's arrest and the $billions of research and loot of materiel in rocket technology that he and his team brought to the United States, let's see what other brain-drain was imposed through secret reparations upon Germany.

German scientist, Hahn, Heisenberg, (atomic and chemistry science,) - von Braun, Dr. Rudolf, Dr. Hermann, (rocketry) - Dr. Alexander Lippisch (Messerschmitt) and scores of other Nazi scientists, all came under the mandatory arrest categories set up by the Allies long before Germany's surrender. And at the hour of callapse, they were hunted down by special pursuit teams composed of US Army commando-type troops, who were accompanied by professors from the War Department's so-called "ALSOS" mission. (ALSOS is a Greek word for "GROVES")

By the time ALSOS went into action the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and its key personnel had been evacutated from Berlin to the small town of Tailfinger in S. Wuerttemberg, which was occupied by the French in mid April of 1945. But before the surprised French knew what happened to their loot of German scientists, an ALSOS team form General Patch's 7th Army appeared on the scene and nabbed Professor Hahn with his colleagues. - After Hahn, ALSOS also captured Heisenberg in Copenhagen where he had fled to.

After the seizure of Hahn and Heisenberg, both vanished into the limbo of atomic secrecy... All inquiries of their whereabouts were answered with "Ask General Groves." - Remember (ALSOS = Greek for GROVES ? ) Major General Leslie Groves was the head of the "Manhattan Project."

In the meantime the US Army prepared to drop the end product of the Nazi theorists on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The Hahn - Heisenberg vanishing-act remained inaccessable to the sleuths of the World Press until late in January of 1946, when both scientists were returned to Germany and were permitted to live in the university town of Geottingen. In April 1946 the Allied Control Council issued the Law No. 25, specifically for German scientists to cease the study of any kind of applied nuclear physics, applied aerodynamics, rocket propulsion, jet propulsion, gas turbine engines, radar, under-water sounding devices, elecetronic coding and decoding equipment, ship -design, and remote-control aircraft .- A neat summary of the German war booty.

Upon their return to Germany and despite the Law No.25, Professors Hahn, Heisenberg and their entourage of atomic scientists, particurarly Max von Laue and five other members of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, continued their work in Goettingen, where they founded the "Max Planck Society" (named after the 89 year old "Father of German Physics" and former teacher of Einstein). Being restricted by Law No. 25 Heisenberg eventually headed the "Department for Cosmis Rays" and the "Max Planck Society" ultimately became the new name of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, (which the Allied Control Council had abolished in 1945).

At the end of 1946 outside of Germany the Allied Control Council's Law
25 was gradually being broken, when 2000 German scientist were being "engaged" not only in war research, but in the actual development of formidable war weapons. After their loot had been harvested, they were being "hired" -- (the more appropriate word is "IMPRESSED") -- by the United States. The US army announced that it inteded to bring in some 730 more scientists to the US in hopes to save another $750.000.000 (in 1946!) in research and technology, through the knowledge and experience acquired from German scientists...

"In addition to the atomic bomb, the Germans are the most valuable potential that any great power can lay its hand on," remarked John Foster Dulles at Cambridge in August 1946. "Germany has thousands of nuclear physicists, rocket constructors, experts on ballistics, earodynamics and jet propulsion..."

The victors' gain of this kind of loot leads to the question: was WWII morally motivated to destroy Hitler's Nazi movement -- or driven merely to plunder Germans' assets?

All data to these secret reparations in: "Germany: What Now?" by Joachim Joesten 1948, Ziff-Davis Publishing Co. Chicago


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Post by wildboar » 02 Jul 2002, 08:14

HETMAN wrote:West Germany certainly got more back than it lost after the war. Hell, even the Russians ended up putting money into East Germany to try and convince the west that it was a socialist paradise.
HETMAN
HETMAN,

It is a hoax that Soviets(russians) put there money in east germany.
infact they just looted and leeched east germany and its resource's.
can you provide some example of soviets putting money and related web-site's.

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Post by Davey Boy » 03 Jul 2002, 21:05

wildboar wrote:
HETMAN wrote:West Germany certainly got more back than it lost after the war. Hell, even the Russians ended up putting money into East Germany to try and convince the west that it was a socialist paradise.
HETMAN
HETMAN,

It is a hoax that Soviets(russians) put there money in east germany.
infact they just looted and leeched east germany and its resource's.
can you provide some example of soviets putting money and related web-site's.

No, it's not a hoax. East Germany was subsidised by the Soviet Union in much the same way as West Germany was subsidised by the west. This is because both sides wanted to show that their Germany was better, thus proving their system was also better. The best example in East Germany was the defence force. They were always given the very latest Soviet equipment; they had the Mig-29s when Poland and all the rest of the Warsaw pact were still flying Mig-21s. The East German army was, in fact, the second best equipped force in the east after that of the Soviet Union.

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Post by Xanthro » 03 Jul 2002, 23:50

Can you accept that I'm not interested in "jews?"
Someone seems awfully preoccupied with Jews to claim disinterest.

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Post by James » 04 Jul 2002, 01:08

Xanthro:

That was my reaction to Mr. Meyer's statement, particularly when it was given in response to me having restated my question to expressly [b]exclude[/b] any reference to the Jews from its scope.

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Post by Mensch Meyer » 04 Jul 2002, 21:47

James wrote:Xanthro:

That was my reaction to Mr. Meyer's statement, particularly when it was given in response to me having restated my question to expressly exclude any reference to the Jews from its scope.
Good ! You guys finally realize I don't play your game. Now you both toddle along and spin your dreidl...

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