Warcrimes in Nanking 1937

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Re: Warcrimes in Nanking 1937

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Post by David Thompson » 03 Sep 2015, 20:14

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Re: Warcrimes in Nanking 1937

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Post by manfredzhang » 03 Sep 2015, 21:22

David Thompson wrote:manfredzhang -- Our viewers are more interested in facts than opinions, so if you have something worthwhile to say, post it, as directed, to the Iris Chang thread.
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I do have something to contribute to this thread. I will post them in the next couple of days.

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https://books.google.ca/books?id=TTKAAQ ... 85&f=false

http://www.fotoe.com/image/20146340

General Liu Qixiong was commanding general of 260th Brigade, 87th Division of National Chinese Army. Captured in civilian clothes in Nanjing Safety Zone was spared the life by Japanese and eventually became a general in Wang Jingwei's collaborationist government.

This example proves the assertion that Japanese left no Chinese POW is incorrect as well as the assertion that the people they took away from the safety zone are all shot is wrong.


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Re: Warcrimes in Nanking 1937

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Post by Acolyte » Yesterday, 15:44

To bump this old thread with two questions:

First of all, I don't consider myself that well-versed in this topic as I haven't read monographs about it, but I did listen to a 2-part series on it on the History of Japan podcast by historian Dr. Isaac Meyer, and in an episode of The Last Podcast on The Left. (I'm aware that those guys aren't professional historians, but let's ignore that for a moment.) Two pieces of information from these caught my attention:

Apparently the IJA units attacking the city were aided by riverine forces of the IJN operating on the Yangtze. The Wikipedia entry on the massacre actually mentions this as well, although without going into any detail. Oddly it mentions two such fleets taking part, but I guess I only find that odd because I know nothing about riverine warfare. Maybe it's necessary in such cases to screen both banks of the river?

Anyway, the additional detail regarding this is that masses of desperate KMT soldiers deserted when the city fell, and tried escaping to safety by swimming across the river, only to be cut down in large numbers by machine gun fire from the patrol boats that were already present. The argument is that this is how most of the corpses on the riverbank photographed afterwards actually ended up there. Again, massacre is massacre in either case, but anyway, does anyone have additional information regarding this?

Also, the city has a busy inner port, but military command closed it down and prevented civilians and soldiers from trying to flee up the river, in order to avoid a stampede and chaos. I never heard about this before. Are there further details about this?

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