Who executed bad camp commandant in Shindlers list

[rob]

I have never seen the movie but I understand that the wicked concentration camp commandant is shown being executed at the end of the movie. Apparently the assumption you get from the movie is that the allies execute him. According to some revisionist article I once read, it was actually the Germans who executed him, not the allies, and that the man behind the executions a certain Konrad Morgen, ran some kind of internal affairs investigative bureau which arrested and executed other German officials who were engaged in wrongdoing

[Scott Smith]

I have never seen the movie but I understand that the wicked concentration camp commandant is shown being executed at the end of the movie. Apparently the assumption you get from the movie is that the allies execute him. According to some revisionist article I once read, it was actually the Germans who executed him, not the allies, and that the man behind the executions a certain Konrad Morgen, ran some kind of internal affairs investigative bureau which arrested and executed other German officials who were engaged in wrongdoing

The commandant from Schindler's List was Amon Goeth, in charge of Plaszow, a labor camp near Auschwitz. He was executed by the Poles after the war along with Rudolf Höß of Auschwitz.

The one you are thinking of is Karl Koch (husband of Ilse Koch), commandant of Buchenwald and "Bitch of Buchenwald," respectively. He was executed by the SS for corruption in 1943. She was sentenced to life imprisonment by the Allies allegedly for mistreating prisoners (making lamphades out of Jews) and committed suicide in 1967.

[sylvieK4]

He was executed by the Poles. Below, you can see Goeth after his capture. The second picture purports to show Amon Goeth being escorted from a Polish courthouse to his place of execution.

[Xanthro]

Amon Goeth was relieved of command by the SS and placed under arrest. For health reasons he was released, then captured after the war and executed. I've heard and read he was executed by the Polish and the Russians.

Xanthro

[Researcher]

Goeth was arrested by the SS in September 1944, but as Xanthro says he was released on health grounds.
He was tried by a Polish Peoples Court in Cracow: 27-31 August 1946 (which was quite early for the Poles) and sentenced to death. His appeal was dismissed on 5 September and he was hanged 8 days later.

If I remember correctly, his death in the film looks as though it was a summary execution. He was kicked off a stool (at the second attempt) and hanged in the camp grounds.

Regards
Researcher

[comrade seinfeld]

Scott Smith posted:
The one you are thinking of is Karl Koch (husband of Ilse Koch), commandant of Buchenwald and "Bitch of Buchenwald," respectively. He was executed by the SS for corruption in 1943. She was sentenced to life imprisonment by the Allies allegedly for mistreating prisoners (making lamphades out of Jews) and committed suicide in 1967.


For some reason Scott Smith has given a complete misconception about Ilse Koch which would simply confirm the official Holocaust narrative for those not familiar with the issue. Unfortunately I do not have copying and pasting facilities available on this Library catalogue computer, so I will simply type out the below URL's, and trust that people can browse through the relevant articles and find the sections dealing with Ilse Koch:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p405_Weber.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/con ... Koch1.html
http://zundelsite.org/english/advanced_ ... t.008.html

[comrade seinfeld]

Scott Smith posted:
The one you are thinking of is Karl Koch (husband of Ilse Koch), commandant of Buchenwald and "Bitch of Buchenwald," respectively. He was executed by the SS for corruption in 1943. She was sentenced to life imprisonment by the Allies allegedly for mistreating prisoners (making lamphades out of Jews) and committed suicide in 1967.


For some reason Scott Smith has given a complete misconception about Ilse Koch which would simply confirm the official Holocaust narrative for those not familiar with the issue. Unfortunately I do not have copying and pasting facilities available on this Library catalogue computer, so I will simply type out the below URL's, and trust that people can browse through the relevant articles and find the sections dealing with Ilse Koch:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p405_Weber.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/con ... Koch1.html
http://zundelsite.org/english/advanced_ ... t.008.html

[Roberto]

For some reason Scott Smith has given a complete misconception about Ilse Koch which would simply confirm the official Holocaust narrative for those not familiar with the issue.

There's no such thing as an "official Holocaust narrative", Mr. True Believer. There is the record of the Nazi genocide of the Jews established by criminal investigation and historical research on the one hand and the filthy lies of tendentious propagandists on the other. The latter are epitomized by the sites recommended by Mr. Seinfeld.

As to the human skin lampshades that True Believers make such a fuss about, they are but an unrepresentative folkloristic feature of a program of mass killing and forced labor characterized more by its banality than by the presence of details appealing to imagination. Lampshades of human skin and other macabre gift articles there were only at Buchenwald concentration camp, the former being probably taken not from Jews - who were but a minority of the inmates of Buchenwald - but from inmates belonging to the criminal underworld, who wore decorative tattoos on their skins.

Some of the evidence can be viewed online:

There is a letter by the SS site physician of Weimar dated 7 May 1942 interdicting the manufacture of shrunken heads and other "so called gift articles" at Buchenwald concentration camp, which can be viewed under the link

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... -doc01.gif

There is an instruction to the SS site physician of Weimar to ship 142 samples of tattoos existing at Buchenwald to "UVIER" as soon as possible:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... -doc04.gif

There are photographs of exhibits as found by the US Army when it liberated the camp in 1945:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... wald02.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... runken.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... s-3420.jpg

The human origin of the skin exhibits was established by forensic examination, the report on which can be read under

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/n ... 06-3423-ps

To what extent Ilse Koch was involved in the macabre activities she is best known for - the manufacture of lampshades from tattooed human skin - was never finally clarified. Sentenced to life imprisonment by a US military tribunal in 1947, she was released after four years. Arrested in West Germany in 1949 for killing German nationals at Buchenwald, she was tried by a German court which found her guilty of one count of incitement to murder, one count of incitement to attempted murder, five counts of incitement to severe physical mistreatment of prisoners, and two counts of physical mistreatment. In January 1951 she was again sentenced to life imprisonment. While not finding her guilty of ordering prisoners killed for their tattooed skin, the court did take note that there was no doubt that lamp shades made from human skin had been found at Buchenwald. Ilse Koch protested her life sentence, to no avail, to the International Human Rights Commission. After serving over 20 years in prison, Ilse was founded dead in her cell at Aichach on September 1, 1967. Her death, by hanging, was ruled a suicide.

A summary of the trial against Ilse Koch before the Augsburg County Court may be found under the following link:

http://www.jur.uva.nl/junsv/brd/brdengf ... eng262.htm

For further reading on Ilse Koch, the following links may be of interest:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScr ... eKoch.html

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniqu ... ch-01.html

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniqu ... -8-01.html

[Scott Smith]

The one you are thinking of is Karl Koch (husband of Ilse Koch), commandant of Buchenwald and "Bitch of Buchenwald," respectively. He was executed by the SS for corruption in 1943. She was sentenced to life imprisonment by the Allies allegedly for mistreating prisoners (making lamphades out of Jews) and committed suicide in 1967.

For some reason Scott Smith has given a complete misconception about Ilse Koch which would simply confirm the official Holocaust narrative for those not familiar with the issue.

Easy, Comrade. I didn't say that she was guilty. In fact, I think she got a raw deal.

As you state, I was simply reciting the matter-of-fact narrative. We have discussed Ilse Koch many times before on this forum, and those infamous BOGUS Human Lampshades.


ILSE KOCH and INQUISITION...



Objets d' Horreur claimed at Buchenwald today!

[Roberto]

As you state, I was simply reciting the matter-of-fact narrative. We have discussed Ilse Koch many times before on this forum, and those infamous BOGUS Human Lampshades.

Why "BOGUS", Reverend? Because the evidence (have a look at my last post) doesn't fit into your belief system, or are there any more substantial reasons?

[comrade seinfeld]

Certainly I am impressed by Roberto's knowledge in relation to the Holocaust issue, although I really do not think it is rational to go beyond an agnostic perspective -- perhaps I might give the impression that I am a "denier", but all I am trying to do is present an alternative to what I regard as the tendentious assertions of those presenting the official Holocaust narrative (OHN). (Certainly I am a very suspicious person, and for this reason I would would be inclined to believe that such a diligent exterminationist as Roberto could possibly be subsidised by the Israeli government, who regard the OHN as an ideological shield for their Zionist crypto-fascist policies in pursuance of the consolidation of Greater Israel incorporating the West Bank and Gaza -- did people notice that an official policy of Apartheid in regard to Jews and non-Jews was recently legislated overturning previous Court rulings? In Australia the Australian Broadcasting Corporation must be dominated by Zionists since almost daily there is an instance of the OHN in one form or another.)

When I used to be a Maoist we used to have this mantra that it was necessary to learn by negative example, and this is certainly the case with Roberto as regards the Holocaust, since, no matter what he asserts, the contrary is likely to be true. One problem with Roberto is that many of his links require one to be fluent in the German language, which is fair enough I suppose; but, important though it is, one doesn't have much time to learn anything but computer languages today. At one stage, however, on David Irving's website, he incorporated a downloaded tool which enabled one to translate the many German articles he utilizes into English, although, for some reason, that ceased to be the case. Therefore, what Roberto, or someone else, could do, is to recommend a download that could be used to translate the many instances of German passages that appear in this forum.

The totally dogmatic perspective of Roberto is perhaps demonstrated by his attitude toward the issue of lampshades made from human skin, which he seems to persist in, despite the fact that it seems apparent it was all bogus -- I wonder what Roberto has to say in regard to whether there were homocidal gas chambers at Dachu and Bergen-Bersen? It is also interesting that Roberto raises the issue of shrunken heads. I could not find much on shrunken heads, except the below URL from the Zundelsite, which is just pictures without commentary. I remember reading something about the subject on David Irving's website, in which it was assumed that any shrunken heads were simply artefacts of Europeans who had fallen victim to headhunting savages in South America; but it would take too long to find the exact URL.
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/antip ... index.html

[Tarpon27]

[...]

Finally, there were racial experiments, including research into dwarfs and twins, serological research, and skeletal examination. It is this class of horrors that returns us to Auschwitz. (Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, 957-958)

During his interrogation of Adolf Eichmann, Israeli police Captain Avner Less brought up the subject of Eichmann's complicity in medical 'research' projects which had been approved by the Reichsführer-SS, Heinrich Himmler, and read four documents to him. What follows is the text of Less's interrogation at that point...


LESS: I have some photostats of documents that were submitted in the first Nuremberg war crimes trial, the trial of the physicians. The sender of this letter is the business manager of Ahnenerbe. I'll read it to you.

"Berlin, November 2, 1942. Secret. To SS-Obersturmbannführer Dr. Brandt. Dear Comrade Brandt: As you know, the Reichsführer-SS gave orders some time ago to the effect that SS-Hauptsturmführer Prof. Dr. Hirt should be supplied with everything he requires for his research. For certain anthropological investigations -- I have already reported to the Reichsführer-SS on the subject -- 150 skeletons of prisoners or Jews are needed, and these are to be made available by the Auschwitz concentration camp." Etc. etc. It's signed: "With comradely greetings, Heil Hitler, Yours, Sievers."

The second document is a report by this Professor Hirt. "Re: Procurement of the skulls of Jewish-Bolshevistic commissars for scientific research at the University of Strassburg." I quote:

"Extensive skull collections from nearly all races and people are in existence. It is only of Jews that so few skulls are available to science that work on them admits of no secure findings. The war in the East now offers us an opportunity to make good this deficiency. In the Jewish-Bolshevistic commissars, who embody a repulsive and characteristic type of subhuman, we have the possibility of acquiring a reliable scientific document by acquiring their skulls.

The smoothest and most expeditious way of obtaining and securing this provision of skulls would be to instruct the Wehrmacht to hand over all Jewish-Bolshevistic commissars immediately to the military police. The person charged with securing this material (a young physician or medical student belonging to the Werhmacht or better still to the military police) is to prepare a previously specified series of photographs and anthropoligical measurements.

After the subsequently induced death of the Jew, whose head must not be injured, he will separate the head from the trunk and send it, immersed in a preserving fluid, in well-sealed lead containers made especially for this purpose, to the designated address."

And now the next document. A letter of June 21, 1943. From Ahnenerbe. Top secret.

"To Reich Security Headquarters IVB4, Attention: SS-Obersturmführer Eichmann. Re: Skeleton collection.

With reference to your letter of September 25, 1942, and the consultations held since then regarding the above-mentioned matter, we wish to inform you that Dr. Bruno Beger, our staff member charged with the above-mentioned special mission, terminated his work in the Auschwitz concentration camp on June 15, 1943, because of the danger of an epidemic. In all, 115 persons, 79 male Jews, 2 Poles, 4 Central Asians, and 30 Jewesses, were processed.

These inmates have been placed, men and women separately, in the concentration-camp sick quarters, and quarantined. For the further processing of these selected persons, immediate transfer to Natzweiler concentration camp is desirable and should be effected as quickly as possible in view of the danger of infection in Auschwitz. A list of the selected persons is appended. You are requested to send the necessary instructions."

And now for the last document.


"The Reichsführer-SS Personal Staff, Field Headquarters, November 6, 1942. Secret. To Reich Security Headquarters IVB4. Attention: SS-Obersturmführer Eichmann. The Reichsführer-SS has ordered that Dr. Hirt, head of the Anatomy Department in Strassburg, should be supplied with everything needed for his research. In the name of the Reichsführer-SS, I therefore request you to help establish the projected skeleton collection. per. proc. SS-Obersturmbannführer Brandt." (von Lang, 169-171)

Thus the German government's full complicity in the crimes committed at Auschwitz under the guise of "medical research" is clear, with a chain of evidence reaching all the way to Himmler.

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/au ... aq-14.html

[Scott Smith]

As you state, I was simply reciting the matter-of-fact narrative. We have discussed Ilse Koch many times before on this forum, and those infamous BOGUS Human Lampshades.

Why "BOGUS", Reverend? Because the evidence (have a look at my last post) doesn't fit into your belief system, or are there any more substantial reasons?

Hi Roberto,

I'm willing to suspend disbelief for a moment and entertain the notion that the bogus lampshades are real. Okay, let's examine them. Where are they?

[Roberto]

The totally dogmatic perspective of Roberto is perhaps demonstrated by his attitude toward the issue of lampshades made from human skin, which he seems to persist in, despite the fact that it seems apparent it was all bogus --

Can Seinfeld demonstrate that "it was all bogus"?

No, he can't. It's just one of the articles of faith that he blindly adheres to.

That being so, who is the dogmatic?

I wonder what Roberto has to say in regard to whether there were homocidal gas chambers at Dachu and Bergen-Bersen?

Easy, Mr. True Believer. There is no evidence that homicidal gas chambers existed in the latter camp. As to the former, there is evidence that a gas chamber for homicidal purposes was built, but no conclusive evidence that it was ever actually used.

It is also interesting that Roberto raises the issue of shrunken heads. I could not find much on shrunken heads, except the below URL from the Zundelsite, which is just pictures without commentary.

What does Zundelsite say about the already mentioned letter from the SS site physician of Weimar dated 7 May 1942, interdicting the manufacture of "so called gift articles (shrunken heads, etc.)"?

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... -doc01.gif

Does the moron squeal "forgery", or does he ignore this piece of evidence altogether?

As to the rest of Seinfeld's crap - me being in the service of Israel/Zionism or whatever, and so on - my comment is the following:

The only reason why I post on this forum is a deeply rooted aversion to folks like Seinfeld.

I enjoy hitting them over the head whenever I can, because their moronic beliefs in the evils of Jewry (or "Zionism", "Israel" or whatever they call the object of their hateful paranoia) and the supreme virtues of National Socialism fills me with the deepest contempt.

Got that, Mr. True Believer?

[Roberto]

Hi Roberto,

I'm willing to suspend disbelief for a moment and entertain the notion that the bogus lampshades are real. Okay, let's examine them. Where are they?

See my post of Tue Jul 09, 2002 9:47 am on this thread.

Smith's statement is tantamount to someone saying

I'm willing to suspend disbelief for a moment and entertain the notion that the bogus Katyn mass graves are real. Okay, let's examine them. Where are they?

You see, Reverend, the burden of proof for a manipulation of evidence is on the imbecile who alleges that there was such a manipulation. As simple as that.