Soviet administration of Ukraine a war crime?

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Post by Kunikov » 08 Feb 2004, 05:09

Matt H. wrote:
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Matt H. wrote:Since when do historians have to specialise in one particular field? Davies is also the author of Europe: A History. The title should be self-explanatory. Suffice to say it is over 1300 pages of European history spanning from the pre-Roman era up to the modern conflicts of the 20th Century. Davies is an expert on Polish history, but that does not mean it is his only field of expertise.
Well, then he should read up on Soviet history. And neither a general history of Europe nor a history of Poland in 1944 should be used as a source for Stalin's purge numbers.
So Sovietology cannot be included in a general history of Europe? Are all general histories to be discounted?
Not if the author cannot do simple research, and if you're looking for a general history then there is no need to go into details about the Red Army purges.

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Post by Matt H. » 09 Feb 2004, 18:55

Look, we'll never agree on this, so lets just let Norman Davies research what Norman Davies wants to, okay?


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Post by Kunikov » 10 Feb 2004, 00:31

Matt H. wrote:Look, we'll never agree on this, so lets just let Norman Davies research what Norman Davies wants to, okay?
You can go right ahead and let it go, I've already gotten an impression of the author, I doubt I'll be buying any of his work.

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Post by Benoit Douville » 14 Feb 2004, 20:53

According to Norman Davies and I totally agree with him, both persons who had the misfortune to experience both Nazi and Stalinist captivity were apt to consider the latter more dreadful. This last topic deserve intensive research. The Nazi made no secret of the fact that they regarded their victims as mere minimals who had no right to live. They were cruel and ruthless to the extreme but at least they made their POW predicament abundantly plain. The NKVD in contrast, specialized in psychological disorientation. They were seeking to rid the world not of inferior mind but of polluted minds. As a result, they devoted more time with their POW, endlessly asking them questions, alternatively promising them relief or threatening them with pain. Within a relatively short time, they were confident of reducing the majority to a state of cowed, quivering confusion with no hope of a quick death.

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Post by Kunikov » 14 Feb 2004, 21:42

Benoit Douville wrote:According to Norman Davies and I totally agree with him, both persons who had the misfortune to experience both Nazi and Stalinist captivity were apt to consider the latter more dreadful. This last topic deserve intensive research. The Nazi made no secret of the fact that they regarded their victims as mere minimals who had no right to live. They were cruel and ruthless to the extreme but at least they made their POW predicament abundantly plain. The NKVD in contrast, specialized in psychological disorientation. They were seeking to rid the world not of inferior mind but of polluted minds. As a result, they devoted more time with their POW, endlessly asking them questions, alternatively promising them relief or threatening them with pain. Within a relatively short time, they were confident of reducing the majority to a state of cowed, quivering confusion with no hope of a quick death.

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Have you ever lived in the Soviet Union? Since no one looks toward former Soviet specialists on how life was like in the US or any other country, the same should apply the other way around. Why don't you ask the former Soviets here which they would prefer?

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Post by Benoit Douville » 01 Mar 2004, 02:00

Well,

The people from Ukraine were happy and welcome the Germans in 1941 with flowers like eveybody knows, they were hoping for a better life because it was terrible under the Soviet regime but when Erich Koch of Germany came it was also terrible... The Ukrainians are the people who suffered the most under Stalin. You can't deny that.

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