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Re: Soap

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Post by boobazzz » 07 Jan 2005, 21:50

HaEn wrote: The soap business was a HOAX ! people.
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no it was not since - as Siergiey mentionned - it was experimentally rectified in Danzig (Gdansk nowadays) by prof R. Spanner and his team. as Z. Nalkowska describes it in her book "Medaliony"
(http://nupress.northwestern.edu/title.c ... 101-1743-6). There is no proof on mass production being started (and therefore distributed), and as such it has to be doubted it ever was. But it was not a hoax for sure.

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Post by Musashi » 08 Jan 2005, 01:17

boobazzz wrote:
HaEn wrote: The soap business was a HOAX ! people.
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no it was not since - as Siergiey mentionned - it was experimentally rectified in Danzig (Gdansk nowadays) by prof R. Spanner and his team. as Z. Nalkowska describes it in her book "Medaliony"
(http://nupress.northwestern.edu/title.c ... 101-1743-6). There is no proof on mass production being started (and therefore distributed), and as such it has to be doubted it ever was. But it was not a hoax for sure.

cheers.
b.
Affirmative. It was NOT a hoax. Zofia Na³kowska's "Medaliony" was an obligatory lecture when I was going to a college in 1991-1995 and is still now.
You could have charged it is unreliable if it had been an obligatory lecture in Polish college before fall of communsim in 1989.
But now? Poland is a member of the EU and official Germany's ally. Do you still claim we would allow to publish a book with so serious charges and it would be an obligatory lecture NOW if it had not be a true? Or maybe you suppose German politicians would not do their best to prohibit this book in such a case? I think for intelligent people it should be enough reasons to believe in Boobazzz' and my version.
Boobazzz' source
Medallions


Zofia Nalkowska

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Considered a masterpiece of antifascist world literature, Medallions stands as the culmination of Nalkowska's literary style, a style the Polish writer Witold Gombrowicz once described as "the iron capital of her art and one of the very few exportables in our national literature." More than mere historical record, Medallions offers the reader startling immediacy, the repetition of an event as it persists in the testimonial present, in the scars on the consciousness and conscience of individuals.



"[A] powerful and important work." --Jewish Book World
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Post by Sergey Romanov » 11 Jan 2005, 03:45

HAEN
The soap business was a HOAX
Hoax? Perpetrated by whom?

BOOBAZZ
no it was not since - as Siergiey mentionned - it was experimentally rectified in Danzig (Gdansk nowadays) by prof R. Spanner and his team. as Z. Nalkowska describes it in her book "Medaliony"
(http://nupress.northwestern.edu/title.c ... 101-1743-6). There is no proof on mass production being started (and therefore distributed), and as such it has to be doubted it ever was. But it was not a hoax for sure.
It's true that there probably were such experiments, but HaEn was talking about emacited prisoners, i.e. about Auschwitz and elsewhere. IT is true that there were such rumors and one former Auschwitz inmate in his memoir stated that he witnessed mass-production os human soap, but it could be as well that he was crazy.

Anyway, the claim of "hoax" is unsubstantiated rubbish. Rumors and hoaxes are different animals.

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Post by Dr Tinnitus » 19 Jan 2005, 00:08

Sorry to put a log on the fire on the soap subject once more.

But I was sneeking around in Nizkors site and stumbled over this.

http://www.vex.net/~nizkor/ftp.cgi/camp ... //stutthof

Please click on the link "Photo" on that page.

Can anyone tell me what those photos shows, specificly those of the corpses in those big boxes? Then read some of the other stuf on the other links on the page. One can find that there is statement or testimonys of that 25 kilos of human soap was produced.


But on the same time we also can read on Nizkor http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniqu ... ap-01.html in the six pages that follows in the link, that there never was any findings of human bodyparts at the site for the soap experiment. Nor was it ever finaly proven in any way more than some testimonys and a soap in which they coulden't say that it contain any fat from human.

EDIT: I also just found two more pics that looks like they might be from the same room as the previous pics. But these pics shouls came from a camp named NatzWeiler if I haven't totally missunderstand something? http://www.vex.net/~nizkor/ftp.cgi/camp ... natzweiler


I'm a bit confused now, because what you can se above. So I need some serious help to sort this out for me. Are there any helpful guy out there? Sergey... perhaps..? :D


Best Regards

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Post by Dan » 19 Jan 2005, 01:10

We saw a basement, again full of corpses that were stacked in neat piles like
raw material in factory warehouses. In fact, this really was raw material
graded according to the fat content. Severed heads were lying separately in a
corner. They were waste material, unsuitable for soapmaking, or perhaps nazi
science had failed to keep pace with the requirements of life and had still
not found a way of industrially utilizing them. Then we saw dismembered human
bodies that had been piled into vats to be boiled in an alkaline solution. ..."
(Polevoi, 108-184)
More a comment on how gulible people can be than evidence of the Soap Libel. The bodies were stacked for disection, a normal practice for training doctors. The amount of energy and man hours it would take to get fat as anything other than a by product would never justify the procedure, as anyone with sense should be able to see.

I do like the part about the Heroic Red Army Documentary Makers, though.

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Post by Molobo » 02 Sep 2005, 13:05

Today Polish IPN after invistigation concluded that indeed soap was made in Gdansk under Spanner.However it was an experiment and not production on industrial scale, therefore not a crime against humanity, but profanation of the dead.
IPN believes that human soap production was thought about in Stutthof camp but so far they lack hard evidence of these plans.
That is my summary of the news.
The news is from Polish state television which cites IPN officials, here is the news in Polish:
http://ww2.tvp.pl/tvppl/119,2002040430313.strona

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Post by DXTR » 03 Sep 2005, 10:30

musashi wrote:
Affirmative. It was NOT a hoax. Zofia Na³kowska's "Medaliony" was an obligatory lecture when I was going to a college in 1991-1995 and is still now.
You could have charged it is unreliable if it had been an obligatory lecture in Polish college before fall of communsim in 1989.
But now? Poland is a member of the EU and official Germany's ally. Do you still claim we would allow to publish a book with so serious charges and it would be an obligatory lecture NOW if it had not be a true? Or maybe you suppose German politicians would not do their best to prohibit this book in such a case? I think for intelligent people it should be enough reasons to believe in Boobazzz' and my version.
Sorry about responding to an old thread but this comment sort of sticks out. I have no idea whether the soap story is true or not - but I must reject to this line of 'evidence':

Basing your argument in support of the soap story on it being part of a polish college programme hardly proofs anything at all - While I might step on someones national pride - and please understand that I have no intention of doing so - I would claim that there could be a number of other explanations as to why it is part of polish history as taught in contemporary college - first it could be an engraved 'myth' that people identify with as to testify to the hardship and oppresion that the polish nation underwent from 1939-45 firmly 'supported' by pre 1989- communist propaganda. Scholars might then just accept the 'myth' since it underlines a history of polish suffering at the hands of the great powers and thus go to the notion of the polish nation as victims. (this is in no way meant to be patronising or insultive to Poland).

Secondly Whether german authorities actually know of this books existence or cares about it is doubtfull - considering that it is still a story that is debatted and not firmly established as a fact (considering this thread). If the germans somehow knew for a fact that this story was false they could still decide to leave it be since stirring up a debate on the extent of naziattrocities might generate more antigerman sentiment.

All in all when it comes to national sentiment and identity myths or constructions are often the building block of that identity. See for example Hobsbawm, Eric J. Nations and Nationalism Since 1780. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1990.

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Post by Erich Hartmann » 03 Sep 2005, 12:14

I think this article should clear it:

The Soap Myth

"It's a general conception that the Nazis manufactured soap," says [Michael] Berenbaum [author of The World Must Know: The History of the Holocaust as Told in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum], who was project manager for the USHMM before it opened in 1993 and headed the museum's research institute until 1997. "But those of us working in this area have not used it as an example [of Nazi atrocity] in the last 10 to 15 years. We don't have any evidence that the Nazis actually manufactured soap with human bodies."

When Berenbaum began putting the USHMM exhibit together, even he believed "it was obviously the case" that the Nazis produced soap from fat. "There was a question as to whether we would use soap in the exhibition," he says. But after a thorough search, he adds, "I didn't find any evidence of it. I found evidence for everything else that ... the Nazis did and worse."

He says the evidence that would prove it conclusively would include shipping bills, physical evidence from a manufacturing plant, or receipts for economic transactions - none of which has been found.

Aaron Breitbart, a senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, agrees that the evidence is thin. "The leading scholars of the Holocaust are of the opinion that the Nazis did not make soap," he says. "It was a cruel rumor at the camps...."

Andrew Hollinger, a spokesman in the [Holocaust Museum] department of media relations...provided Moment with a document written by the museum's historian that concludes: "Available documentary evidence and eyewitness accounts have been unable to corroborate in a conclusive manner reports that the National Socialists and their collaborators used human fat from their victims in the manufacture of soap." It goes on to say: "rumors that Germans made soap from human remains originated in French propaganda from the First World War."

Breitbart explains why it is that the scholars have to be so careful. "The importance is not to give the Holocaust deniers any opportunity," he says. "The view of the Holocaust revisionists is, if you can prove something is wrong, then everything is wrong. It gives them an opportunity to cast doubt on the general historical veracity of the Holocaust."

The scholars' view is based in -part on analysis of the small blue-green cakes of soap that Holocaust survivors have presented over the years, claiming that they were made from human fat. Breitbart says the bars are stamped "R.I.F.," for Reich Industry Fat, but in the camps some Jews believed that the I was a J and that the acronym stood for "Jewish Fat." When analyzed, however, the bars turned up no evidence of human DNA"

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... /soap.html

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Post by David Thompson » 03 Sep 2005, 21:16

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Post by Molobo » 03 Sep 2005, 21:59

I think this article should clear it:
Erich, in all likelyhood the article was written before IPN concluded their invistigation which confirmed that German Reich experimented with making soap out of humans.
I have no idea whether the soap story is true or not
Yes, invisitigators in Poland concluded that indeed it is true.
considering that it is still a story that is debatted and not firmly established as a fact
As of September 2005 we know it is an established historical fact.

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Post by Fritz the Rat » 03 Sep 2005, 22:55

If Nazis created lampshades from human skin (Buchenwald); why not trying to make soap? Some of these perpetrators were surely capable of anything. Another interesting point might be the probable use of human hair for submarine seals. As far as I know no exhibited German submarine has been inspected re this until now.

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Post by Erich Hartmann » 04 Sep 2005, 00:11

....If Nazis created lampshades from human skin (Buchenwald);
Do you have proof for that? A link or so? 8O

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Post by Erich Hartmann » 04 Sep 2005, 00:17

Molobo wrote:
I think this article should clear it:
Erich, in all likelyhood the article was written before IPN concluded their invistigation which confirmed that German Reich experimented with making soap out of humans.
I have no idea whether the soap story is true or not
Yes, invisitigators in Poland concluded that indeed it is true.
considering that it is still a story that is debatted and not firmly established as a fact
As of September 2005 we know it is an established historical fact.
Molobo,

in this case I go with the Holocaust Museum, the Wiesenthal Center and the jewish library where the article stems from, thank you!

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Post by David Thompson » 04 Sep 2005, 00:34

....If Nazis created lampshades from human skin (Buchenwald);
Do you have proof for that? A link or so?

From the New York Times, 16 Jan 1951:
"The court found no proof that anyone at Buchenwald had been murdered for his tattooed skin, but it expressed no doubt that skin lampshades had been made and that human heads had been shriveled and preserved at the camp."
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 011#424011

The proposition "If Nazis created lampshades from human skin (Buchenwald)" is more accurately put, "Some criminals made lampshades from human skin." There is no evidence of any NSDAP or German government policy authorizing such behavior. The same is true of the human soap experiments of Dr. Spanner. There is evidence that such things may have happened, as isolated incidents. There is no evidence of any policy, or official authorization or ratification of the practice.

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Post by Erich Hartmann » 04 Sep 2005, 00:45

Another "newer" article on this hoax:

"Jewish soap

by Mark Weber

Haaretz - Nazi soap stories were `invention'

Another Talmudic tale dumped in the trashcan of history. A Yad Vashem spokeswoman said there is no proof the Nazis made soap from human bodies during the Holocaust. The sources said similar claims have been made in the past regarding soap made from Jewish bodies, including soap found last year in the Nahariya cemetery. In that case the soap was determined not to have been made from human remains. In 1990 samples from several soaps claimed to have been made from Jews were sent for DNA testing at Tel Aviv University. Likewise, those tests determined the soaps did not contain human fats.

One of the most lurid and slanderous Holocaust claims is the story that the Germans manufactured soap from the bodies of their victims. Although a similar charge during the First World War was exposed as a hoax almost immediately afterwards, it was nevertheless revived and widely believed during the Second. More important, this accusation was "proved" at the main Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946, and has been authoritatively endorsed by numerous historians in the decades since. In recent years, though, as part of a broad retreat from the most obviously untenable aspects of the "orthodox" extermination story, Holocaust historians have grudgingly conceded that the human soap tale is a wartime propaganda lie. In their retreat, though, these historians have tried to dismiss the soap story as a mere wartime "rumor," neglecting to mention that international Jewish organizations and then Allied governments endorsed and sanctioned this libelous canard.

Wartime rumors that the Germans were manufacturing soap from the corpses of slaughtered Jews were based in part on the fact that soap bars distributed by German authorities in Jewish ghettos and camps bore the impressed initials "RIF," which many took to stand for "Rein juedisches Fett" or "Pure Jewish Fat." (It did not seem to matter that the letters were "RIF" and not "RJF.") These rumors spread so widely in 1941 and 1942 that by late 1942 German authorities in Poland and Slovakia were expressing official concern about their impact.

According to a Polish source quoted in a secret wartime U.S. Army military intelligence report, for example, the Germans were operating a "human soap factory" in 1941 at Turek, Poland. "The Germans had brought thousands of Polish teachers, priests and Jews there and after extracting the blood serum from their bodies, had thrown them in large pots and melted off grease to make soap," the intelligence report added.

Macabre "Jewish soap" jokes became popular in the ghettos and camps, and many non-Jews on the outside came to believe the story. When trains loaded with Jewish deportees stopped temporarily at rail stations, Poles reportedly would gleefully shout at them: "Jews to soap!" Even British prisoners of war interned at Auschwitz in 1944 testified later about the wartime rumors that corpses of gassing victims were being turned into soap there.

In spite of its inherently incredible character, the soap story became an important feature of Jewish and Allied war propaganda. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, wartime head of both the World Jewish Congress and the American Jewish Congress, publicly charged in November 1942 that Jewish corpses were being "processed into such war-vital commodities as soap, fats and fertilizer" by the Germans. He further announced that the Germans were "even exhuming the dead for the value of the corpses," and were paying fifty marks for each body.

In late 1942, the Congress Weekly, published by the American Jewish Congress, editorialized that the Germans were turning Jews "by scientific methods of dissolution into fertilizer, soap and glue." An article in the same issue reported that Jewish deportees from France and Holland were being processed into "soap, glue and train oil" in at least two special factories in Germany. Typical of many other American periodicals, the influential New Republic reported in early 1943 that the Germans were "using the bodies of their Jewish victims to make soap and fertilizer in a factory at Siedlce."

During June and July 1943, two prominent representatives of the Moscow-based "Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee" toured the United States and raised more than two million dollars for the Soviet war effort at a series of mass meetings. At each of these rallies, Soviet Jewish leader Solomon Mikhoels showed the crowd a bar of soap that he said was made from Jewish corpses.

After the war the soap story was given important legitimacy at the main Nuremberg trial. L. N. Smirnov, Chief Counsellor of Justice for the USSR, declared to the Tribunal:

... The same base, rationalized SS technical minds which created gas chambers and murder vans, began devising such methods of complete annihilation of human bodies, which would not only conceal the traces of their crimes, but also to serve in the manufacturing of certain products. In the Danzig Anatomical Institute, semi-industrial experiments in the production of soap from human bodies and the tanning of human skin for industrial purposes were carried out.

Smirnov quoted at length from an affidavit by Sigmund Mazur, an Institute employee, which was accepted as Nuremberg exhibit USSR-197. It alleged that Dr. Rudolf Spanner, the head of the Danzig Institute, had ordered the production of soap from corpses in 1943. According to Mazur's affidavit, Dr. Spanner's operation was of interest to high-ranking German officials. Education Minister Bernhard Rust and Health Leader Dr. Leonardo Conti, as well as professors from other medical institutes, came to witness Spanner's efforts. Mazur also claimed to have used the "human soap" to wash himself and his laundry.

A human soap "recipe," allegedly prepared by Dr. Spanner (Nuremberg document USSR-196), was also presented. Finally, a sample of what was supposed to be a piece of "human soap" was submitted to the Nuremberg Tribunal as exhibit USSR-393.

In his closing address to the Tribunal, chief British prosecutor Sir Hartley Shawcross echoed his Soviet colleague: "On occasion, even the bodies of their victims were used to make good the wartime shortage of soap." And in their final judgment, the Nuremberg Tribunal judges found that "attempts were made to utilize the fat from the bodies of the victims in the commercial manufacture of soap."

It is worth emphasizing here that the "evidence" presented at the Nuremberg Tribunal for the bogus soap story was no less substantial than the "evidence" presented for the claims of mass extermination in "gas chambers." At least in the former case, an actual sample of soap supposedly made from corpses was submitted in evidence.

After the war, supposed Holocaust victims were solemnly buried, in the form of soap bars, in Jewish cemeteries. In 1948, for example, four such bars wrapped in a funeral shroud were ceremoniously buried according to Jewish religious ritual at the Haifa cemetery in Israel. Other bars of "Jewish soap" have been displayed as grim Holocaust relics at the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw, the Stutthof Museum near Gdansk (Danzig), the Yivo Institute in New York, the Holocaust Museum in Philadelphia, the Jewish Holocaust Centre in Melbourne (Australia), and at various locations in Israel.

Numerous Jews who lived in German ghettos and camps during the war helped keep the soap story alive many years later. Ben Edelbaum, for example, wrote in his 1980 memoir Growing Up in the Holocaust:

Often with our rations in the ghettos, the Germans had included a bar of soap branded with initials R.J.F. which came to be known as "RIF" soap. It wasn't until the war had ended that we learned the horrible truth about the bar of soap. Had we known in the ghetto, every bar of "RIF" soap would have been accorded a sacred Jewish funeral in the cemetery at Marysin. As it was, we were completely oblivious to its origin and used the bones and flesh of our murdered loved ones to wash our bodies.

Nesse Godin was transferred from a ghetto in Lithuania to the Stutthof concentration camp in the spring of 1944. In a 1983 interview, she recalled her arrival there:

That day they gave us a shower and a piece of soap. After the war we found out the soap was made out of pure Jew fat, Rein Juden Fett, marked in the initials on the soap that I washed with. For all I know sometimes maybe there was a little bit of my father's fat in that soap that I washed with. How do you think I feel when I think about that?

Mel Mermelstein, the former Auschwitz inmate who was featured in the sensationalized April 1991 cable television movie "Never Forget" (and who sued the Institute for Historical Review and three other defendants for $11 million), declared in a 1981 sworn deposition that he and other camp inmates used soap bars made from human fat. It was an "established fact," he insisted, that the soap he washed with was made from Jewish bodies.

Renowned "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal repeated the soap tale in a series of articles published in 1946 in the Austrian Jewish community paper Der Neue Weg. In the first of these he wrote:

During the last weeks of March the Romanian press reported an unusual piece of news: In the small Romanian city of Folticeni twenty boxes of soap were buried in the Jewish cemetery with full ceremony and complete funeral rites. This soap had been found recently in a former German army depot. On the boxes were the initials RIF, "Pure Jewish Fat." These boxes were destined for the Waffen-SS. The wrapping paper revealed with completely cynical objectivity that this soap was manufactured from Jewish bodies. Surprisingly, the thorough Germans forgot to describe whether the soap was produced from children, girls, men or elderly persons.



Wiesenthal went on:

After 1942 people in the General Government [Poland] knew quite well what the RIF soap meant. The civilized world may not believe the joy with which the Nazis and their women in the General Government thought of this soap. In each piece of soap they saw a Jew who had been magically put there, and had thus been prevented from growing into a second Freud, Ehrlich or Einstein.

In another article he observed:

"The production of soap from human fat is so unbelievable that even some who were in concentration camps find it difficult to comprehend."

Over the years, numerous supposedly reputable historians have promoted the durable soap story. Journalist-historian William L. Shirer, for example, repeated it in his best-selling work, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

Leading Soviet war propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg wrote in his postwar memoir: "I have held in my hand a cake of soap stamped with the legend 'pure Jewish soap', prepared from the corpses of people who had been destroyed. But there is no need to speak of these things: thousands of books have been written about them."

A standard history studies textbook used in Canadian secondary schools, Canada: The Twentieth Century, told students that the Germans "boiled" the corpses of their Jewish victims "to make soap." The Anatomy of Nazism, a booklet published and distributed by the Zionist "Anti-Defamation League" of B'nai B'rith, stated: "The process of brutalization did not end with the mass murders themselves. Large quantities of soap were manufactured from the corpses of those murdered."

A detailed 1981 work, Hitler's Death Camps, repeated the soap story in lurid detail. While noting that "some historians claim that the Nazi manufacture of soap from human fat is just a grim rumor," author Konnilyn Feig nevertheless accepted the story because "most East European camp scholars ... validate the soap stories, and other kinds of bars made from humans are displayed in Eastern Europe -- I have seen many over the years."

New York Rabbi Arthur Schneier repeated the tale at the opening ceremony of the largest Holocaust meeting in history. In his invocation to the "American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors," held in Washington in April 1983, the Rabbi solemnly declared: "We remember the bars of soap with the initials RJF -- Rein jdisches Fett, Pure Jewish Fat -- made from the bodies of our loved ones."

In spite of all the apparently impressive evidence, the charge that the Germans manufactured soap from human beings is a falsehood, as Holocaust historians are now belatedly acknowledging. The "RIF" soap bar initials that supposedly stood for "Pure Jewish Fat" actually indicated nothing more sinister than "Reich Center for Industrial Fat Provisioning" ("Reichsstelle fr Industrielle Fettversorgung"), a German agency responsible for wartime production and distribution of soap and washing products. RIF soap was a poor quality substitute that contained no fat at all, human or otherwise.

Shortly after the war the public prosecutor's office of Flensburg, Germany, began legal proceedings against Dr. Rudolf Spanner for his alleged role in producing human soap at the Danzig Institute. But after an investigation the charge was quietly dropped. In a January 1968 letter, the office stated that its inquiry had determined that no soap from human corpses was made at the Danzig Institute during the war.

More recently, Jewish historian Walter Laqueur "denied established history" by acknowledging in his 1980 book, The Terrible Secret, that the human soap story has no basis in reality. Gitta Sereny, another Jewish historian, noted in her book Into That Darkness: "The universally accepted story that the corpses were used to make soap and fertilizer is finally refuted by the generally very reliable Ludwigsburg Central Authority for Investigation into Nazi Crimes."

Deborah Lipstadt, a professor of modern Jewish history, similarly "rewrote history" when she confirmed in 1981: "The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap."

In April 1990, Professor Yehuda Bauer of Israel's Hebrew University, regarded as a leading Holocaust historian, as well as Shmuel Krakowski, archives director of Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust center, confirmed that the human soap story is not true. Camp inmates "were prepared to believe any horror stories about their persecutors," Bauer said. At the same time, though, he had the chutzpah to blame the legend on "the Nazis."

In fact, blame for the soap story lies rather with individuals such as Simon Wiesenthal and Stephen Wise, organizations like the World Jewish Congress, and the victorious Allied powers, none of whom has ever apologized for promoting this vile falsehood.

Why did Bauer and Krakowski decide that this was the appropriate time to officially abandon the soap story? Krakowski himself hints that a large part of the motivation for this "tactical retreat" has been to save what's left of the sinking Holocaust ship by throwing overboard the most obvious falsehoods. In the face of the growing Revisionist challenge, easily demonstrable falsehoods like the soap story have become dangerous embarrassments because they raise doubts about the entire Holocaust legend. As Krakowski put it: "Historians have concluded that soap was not made from human fat. When so many people deny the Holocaust ever happened, why give them something to use against the truth?"

The bad faith of those making this calculated and belated concession to truth is shown by their failure to note that the soap myth was authoritatively "confirmed" at Nuremberg, and by their unwillingness to deal with the implications of that confirmation for the credibility of the Tribunal and other supposedly trustworthy authorities in establishing other, more fundamental aspects of the Holocaust story.

The striking contrast between the prompt postwar disavowal by the British government of the infamous "human soap" lie of the First World War, and the way in which a similarly baseless propaganda story from the Second World War was officially endorsed by the victorious Allied powers and then authoritatively maintained for so many years not only points up the dispiriting lack of integrity on the part of so many Western historians, but underscores the general decline in Western ethical standards during this century.

The "human soap" story demonstrates anew the tremendous impact that a wartime rumor, no matter how fantastic, can have once it has taken hold, particularly when it is disseminated as a propaganda lie by influential individuals and powerful organizations. That so many intelligent and otherwise thoughtful people could ever have seriously believed that the Germans distributed bars of soap brazenly labeled with letters indicating that they were manufactured from Jewish corpses shows how readily even the most absurd Holocaust fables can be -- and are -- accepted as fact. "

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