Making lamps out of jewis skin?

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Post by Kaan Caglar » 21 Feb 2004 19:19

Groscurth wrote:Of course they were innocant but as a 33 year old, I have been long enough on this planet to see and make comparisions between the 30ties and the way Sharon acts. This explains my anger at the zionists and why I think that the world would be a more dangerous place with all those people still alive.
As a 33 year old,youre not reasonable and logical enough to hear what youre saying. If thats what you think, keep it for yourself because its worthless in my eyes..
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Post by Groscurth » 21 Feb 2004 20:09

Think and read first before you make such stupid accusations.Having critics on a nation that behaves like the third Reich or Mussolini in the 30ties is something else then antisemitism. I understand that it is difficult for those in lack of arguments to make that difference but there is one. Last 2 post show bias.

Try to debate with argumentation like my post here that helps to give people a arm when they discuss with deniers. Shouting like you people did in the last 2 posts is the worst you can do to counterattack deniers.
Groscurth wrote:I have translated a part of beevors book and gave the sources of Beevor to in the history of the lamps made of skin, it is not a " cannard".

I posted it once on NS, I'll copy and paste here:


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---->MY ANSWER ON NS, REGARDING THIS "SKIN STORRY":
Yes, occasionly.

But this was not done with Jewish corpses but with Poles, Russians, Oezbecks. Not because of the better quality of their skin or so.It was done at Danzig at the Anatomic Medical Institute.

From Anthony Beevor's "Berlin, The Downfall 1945", chapter 6 (East and West) in wich he quotes the investigation immediately done at liberation (I try the translation from the Dutch version):

After the taking of Danzig by the Red Army (march), a commission was send to investigate the production of soap and leather "from body of citizens of the USSR and other countries that are killed in German concentration camps"
In 1943, professor Rudolf Spanner and assistent-professor Volman started
with the experiments. Next, they build special productionfacilities.
"Investigations in the A.M.I showed 148 human corpses that were in stock for the production of soap, 126 corpses of males, 18 of women and 4 of children. 80 males and 2 females did not have a head. Also found were 89 human heads" All corpses and heads were stocked in metal barrels with a alcohol-carbol-solution. It seems that most corpses came from the nearby concentrationcamp Stutthof. "The killed peole who's corpses were used to fabric soap had different nationalities, but most were Poles, Russians and Uzbecks".

Regarding the rank of the visitors, the work at the AMI was appearently done with the agreement of the official side. "The AMI was visited by minister of education Bernhard Rust and by Reichsgesundheitsführer Leonardo Conti. Albert Forster the Gauleiter of Danzi visited the institute in 1944, when the soap was already produced. He inspected all divisions of the institute and I think that he was aware that soap of human corpses was produced." The most amazing of this horrible history is that nothing was destroyed at the arrival of the Red Army and that professor Spanner and his assistents after the war never were trialed. The use of human corpses for production purposes was not a crime.

Stutthof counted mostly Sovjet-prissonars and some Poles, soldiers aswel as some Jews. In 6 weeks before the liberation, 16.000 prissonars died of tyfus. when the Red Army approched, prissonars were ordered to destroy the evidences of the camp. The crematorium was blowed up and 10 barraks in wich Jews had stayed, were burned down. Appearently very normal German soldiers also were ordered to help with the executions of POW's of the Red Army and Soviet citizens.

With the text between the "", Beevor quotes in his Bibliography:
-"the boddies of Soviet citizens...", Sjvernik at Molotov, GARF
9401/2/96,p.255-61.
-about Stutthof: RGVA 32904/1/19

So this was occasionly in the history of the camps.
Today those lampshades and soaps still can be found at some musea but most are now in the possesion of some very rich freaky Texan and Israeli collectionars that make big money from it by selling it in their surroundings at the highest bedder. Specially of those Israeli collectionars is this discusting. Money even goes over their own people, bah.

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Post by Groscurth » 21 Feb 2004 20:24

_KaaN_ wrote:
Groscurth wrote:Of course they were innocant but as a 33 year old, I have been long enough on this planet to see and make comparisions between the 30ties and the way Sharon acts. This explains my anger at the zionists and why I think that the world would be a more dangerous place with all those people still alive.
As a 33 year old,youre not reasonable and logical enough to hear what youre saying. If thats what you think, keep it for yourself because its worthless in my eyes..
Kaan
That is because you are pro zionisme (?) or pro Sharon (?) (remember that even the Red Cross speaksof a violation of human rights, something they even did not speak of in WWII)and I am not .

I invite you hereby to continue that debate on NS, cuz this is not the place.

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Post by Kaan Caglar » 21 Feb 2004 20:29

Yes I'm a pro-Sharon from Turkey,from a country which is considered to hate Israel by the likes of you. Nonsense indeed.
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Post by David Thompson » 21 Feb 2004 20:31

If there are any more insults this thread will be closed. Avoid personal exchanges and stick to the topic under discussion.

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Post by Kaan Caglar » 21 Feb 2004 20:34

My apologies David,just got carried away.
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Post by Groscurth » 21 Feb 2004 20:38

Well if you know it yourself it is allwright.
Accusing someone of antisemitism is something that I never let pass, certainly not when it comes from a person in a state that has problems with human rights.

Same excuses, lets talk that out on NS

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Post by David Thompson » 21 Feb 2004 20:42

Let's move on.

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Post by michael mills » 21 Feb 2004 22:02

Omega-Farce wrote:
Are the barbaric things captured on film enough? or is it a lie?
The only item relevant to this discussion on the site linked is number 17, the photograph of a sgrunken head found in Buchenwald Concentration Camp.

The caption to the photograph states:
The shrunken head of a prisoner, discovered at the Buchenwald camp. To terrorize the other prisoners, the SS guards hung two shrunken heads in the middle of the camp. Source: Trials of Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1946, Vol. XXXII.
The photograph itself merely shows a shrunken head. Other photographic evidence shows that two shrunken heads were put on display in the grounds of Buchenwald Camp by United States soldiers; the shrunken head in this photograph may well be one of them.

But the photograph alone does not demonstrate the origin of the shrunken head. The statement that it was the head of a prisoner is simply an unverified claim.

Questions that need to be answered, before the claim can be accepted, are:

1. Did any member of the Buchenwald Camp staff have the knowledge of the methodology of shrinking heads?

2. Was any individual member of the camp staff identified as having had such knowledge? If so, was that individual identified?

3. Was there any actual investigation of the claim that the head was that of a prisoner? For example, was the prisoner in question identified? Were members of the camp staff interrogated on the question, and if so, where are the records of the interrogation?

It is noteworthy that the claim is made that the two shrunken heads were hung in Buchenwald Camp for the purpose of terrifying the prisoners. That claim sounds quite reasonable and rational, but it says nothing about the origin of the heads themselves, which might well have been taken from an anthropological museum somewhere and brought to the camp for the above purpose. If that was the case, it is possible that camp staff had spread the tale that the heads were those of prisoners, either as a cynical joke or else for the purpose of increasing the terrorising effect.

It is also noteworthy that the above claim is quite different from the more sensational claim that the heads were prepared at the request of Ilse Koch, for the purpose of decorating her house.[/quote]

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Post by John W » 22 Feb 2004 00:08

Omega-Force wrote:
Are you claiming the entire nation and the peoples were guilty?
Here we go again with the "you-are-condeming-the-entire-German-nation" routine, I hear this crap on all other forums when a holocaust topic pops out.

No, im not condeming the entire German population, I was not even refering to them at all, I was responding to Panzermahn's saying that Allies made propaganda to convict Koch and he refered her to the innocent German.
I'm sorry I misunderstood your post. Thank you for your time and clarification.

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Post by David Thompson » 26 Mar 2004 00:16

Here are some clippings from the New York Times reports of Frau Koch's German trial in 1950 (not the Buchenwald trial held by a US military tribunal at Dachau in 1947):
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Post by David Thompson » 26 Mar 2004 00:19

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