Michael Mills seems to be accusing me of “judeo-centrism”, a rather ridiculous accusation considering my efforts to provide information about Nazi atrocities against non-Jews, including but not limited to my threadmichael mills wrote:Medorjurgen wrote:
As is usual with most of Medorjurgen's claims about anti-Semitism, the above statement is highly tendentious.This is not to say that no Christians were executed by the Germans at Babi Yar. In fact many thousands were, both prisoners of war and civilians of Russian or Ukrainian ethnicity. It is characteristic of the anti-Semitic attitude of the Soviet government that only the non-Jewish victims received a monument
The source quoted by him stated that a memorial erected by the Soviet Government after the War commemorated the Soviet POWs killed at Babi Yar. On what grounds does Medorjurgen claim that Jews were specifically excluded by that memorial? Soviet POWs were of many different nationalities including Jews, and it was in fact Jewish POWs who were singled out, along with commissars and other Communist functionaries who were singled out for execution.
In line with its normal policy, the Soviet Government did not want to emphasise the ethnicity of particular groups of victims, so as not to contribute to the stirring up of ethnic conflict. Instead, it emphasised the common Soviet citizenship of the victims, hardly an example of anti-Semitism I would think. I note that no memorials were specifically dedicated to the civilians of Russian and Ukrainian ethnicity who were killed at Babi Yar according to Medorjurgen either. Instead, a memorial was erected to the victims who had been members of a group representing all Soviet nationalities, the Red Army.
The supposed anti-Semitism of the Soviet Union is a myth invented by Zionist agitators in the years when the Soviet Union supported the Arab side in the Arab-Jewish conflict, and when the mass emigration of Soviet Jewry was being called for.
Non-Jewish victims of Nazi violence
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on the old forum. Also the kind of accusation one would expect from someone who seems to be pathetically obsessed with “Zionist agitators”, whoever those are supposed to be.
Anyway, the quote from George Duncan’s website I provided:
does not contain the assertion that “Jews were specifically excluded by that memorial”, as Michael Mills would have it. It does, however, make clear that Soviet authorities avoided pointing out the fact that the Jewish population of Kiev had made up a large part if not most of the victims of the Babi Yar killing site. The Babi Yar memorial was by no means the only instance in which Soviet authorities took care not to mention the fact that many of the “Soviet citizens” murdered by the Nazis had been Jews. It seems to have been against official Soviet policy in the Krushchev era to point out that Jews had been a group particularly targeted by Nazi killings, and Soviet author Yevgeni Yevtushenko seems to have broken a taboo when he wrote his poem Babi Yar. At least that’s what Harrison E. Salisbury tells us in his book The Unknown War, from which I will tomorrow provide the pertinent quotes.In 1976, a 15 metre high memorial was unveiled on the site to commemorate the Russian POWs who were killed there. However, no reference is made to the Jews or number of Jewish dead.