German PoWs forced into slave labour by Soviets
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There have been many threads in this section of the forum devoted to comparative Soviet and German POW death rates. That isn't the subject we're discussing. The topic at issue in this thread is Soviet slave labor projects for German POWs. So far, there has been next to no information on the topic, although the thread is on its third page. I've already asked several times before for evidence, so this is my last call for proof before I close the thread.
An offline source would be the book "Berlin: The downfall 1945", but i'm not going to search whole chapters for that piece of text.Rob - WSSOB wrote:But consider the source. See if you can find another reference - online or offline - to coorborate the IHR claim.
But what's wrong with the Institute for Historical Review as a source?
Steelfist, what definition are you using for "slave labor"? As far as I know, there is no legal definition for the term, "slave labor." The term has different meanings to different persons, and you really need to define it.
What is the nature of your "research" project? What are you intending to do with your research? Knowing this may allow us to better assist you.
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What is the nature of your "research" project? What are you intending to do with your research? Knowing this may allow us to better assist you.
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I have seen slave labor and forced labor used interchangeably, and I have seen it given different uses.Juha Tompuri wrote:As I´m not very good at english language, could you help me with these:
How to define "slave labor"?
How does "forced labor" differ from "slave labor"? Or does it?
Regards, Juha
When I think of "slave labor", I generally consider that the slave laborer has 1) no choice in the matter, and 2) does not receive any compensation for his/her work except for food and shelter.
The Germans forced foreign workers from occupied countries to go to Germany as laborers. I have seen the term, "forced laborers" used to described these persons, and I have seen the word, "foreign laborers" as well. Although forced to go to Germany to labor, these foreign nationals received some form of wage.
"POW labor" is of course, POWs who labor. The Geneva Convention required the detaining power/or employer to pay these POWs a wage.
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No source is presented, and as I see it most of the information is coming from Solzhenitsyn and Conquest, neither can be trusted with numbers.Jure wrote:Of an additional 875,000 German civilians abducted and transported to the camps, almost half perished.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n1p39_michaels.html
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As an organization, it has a reputation for Holocaust denial and pro-Nazi apologia. It's discussed in several books, including Lying About Hitler, Why People Belive Weird Things, and Denying the HolocaustBut what's wrong with the Institute for Historical Review as a source?
Besides, it's always good to back up a source with multiple references, if possible - no matter what time period of history one is researching.
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Penn44 wrote:When I think of "slave labor", I generally consider that the slave laborer has 1) no choice in the matter, and 2) does not receive any compensation for his/her work except for food and shelter.
So, " POW labor" without wage is "slave/forced labor" Am I correct?"POW labor" is of course, POWs who labor. The Geneva Convention required the detaining power/or employer to pay these POWs a wage.
Regards, Juha
P.S. Did the Soviets pay wage to their "POW labor"?
I do not know the official Soviet policy in regards to paying German POWs. I would venture to guess that the Soviets regarded the uncompensated German POW labor as compensation for the damage that the invading Hitlerite Army had inflicted on the Soviet Union which sounds fair.Juha Tompuri wrote:Penn44 wrote:When I think of "slave labor", I generally consider that the slave laborer has 1) no choice in the matter, and 2) does not receive any compensation for his/her work except for food and shelter.So, " POW labor" without wage is "slave/forced labor" Am I correct?"POW labor" is of course, POWs who labor. The Geneva Convention required the detaining power/or employer to pay these POWs a wage.
Regards, Juha
P.S. Did the Soviets pay wage to their "POW labor"?
Penn44
, I did not know that.Rob - WSSOB wrote:As an organization, it has a reputation for Holocaust denial and pro-Nazi apologia. It's discussed in several books, including Lying About Hitler, Why People Belive Weird Things, and Denying the HolocaustBut what's wrong with the Institute for Historical Review as a source?
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Juha -- You asked:
You also asked:
This is a question Colonel SteelFist should answer for you, since he introduced the term when he started the thread. The terms have more or less fixed meanings in English, but I'm not sure how Colonel SteelFist meant the term "slave labor" to be understood.As I´m not very good at english language, could you help me with these:
How to define "slave labor"?
How does "forced labor" differ from "slave labor"? Or does it?
You also asked:
I don't think so, nor do I think that "slave labor" and "forced labor" have the same meaning. But again, the term is for Colonel SteelFist to define, since he used it. The other readers would have to guess at what he meant." POW labor" without wage is "slave/forced labor" Am I correct?
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According to Pankevich’s “reaptriacii I trud voenoplennix kak istochnik vosstanovleniya ekonomiki SSSR posle vtory mirovoy voyni” – Repatriations and POWs labor as source for reconstruction of USSR economy after WW II” number of German civilians interned (males 17 to 50) and who worked in Soviet industry was 271672.
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