Ground penetrating radar - revisionist claim

Discussions on the Holocaust and 20th Century War Crimes. Note that Holocaust denial is not allowed. Hosted by David Thompson.
force
Member
Posts: 2
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 01:29
Location: Montana

Post by force » 10 Aug 2007 01:48

Lionaxe:
The very nature of the challenge, that you simply MUST find at least 870,000 graves/bodies, clearly shows how insincere it is in essence, how intellectually corrupt it is. If I would claim that 2900 people died on 9/11 and you say you'll give me $1,000,000 if I can prove it by showing you some 2900 bodies, you'd be offering the same line of challenge as these irrational people are. I doubt that there even is an "National Association bla bla of skeptics and forensics".
Yes there is a National Association of Forensic Criminologists, Archeologists, Skeptics and Historians Lionaxe. It can be found here >

http://www.nafcash.com/

As per your claim that the Treblinka Crime Scene Investigation Challenge requires one to find at least 870,000 bodies, you seem to be misrepresenting the truth by "at least" 99%. Here is what the challege requires >
Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust

NAFCASH TM is offering a $250,000.00 REWARD

For locating JUST ONE of the alleged “HUGE MASS GRAVES” of Treblinka

NAFCASH TM presents

THE TREBLINKA CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM

You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave’s EXACT location, its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density. The cremated remains must total AT LEAST one percent of the alleged mass murder.

JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!
Why would you misrepresent the truth by 99%? How could anyone who actually read the site and who actually wants anyone to take them seriously misrepresent the Treblinka Crime Scene Investigation Challenge requirement by 99%? What was that you were saying about intellectually corupt?

User avatar
Sam H.
Member
Posts: 1975
Joined: 19 Sep 2002 21:21
Location: Pittsburgh, PA

Post by Sam H. » 10 Aug 2007 02:17

force wrote:Lionaxe:
The very nature of the challenge, that you simply MUST find at least 870,000 graves/bodies, clearly shows how insincere it is in essence, how intellectually corrupt it is. If I would claim that 2900 people died on 9/11 and you say you'll give me $1,000,000 if I can prove it by showing you some 2900 bodies, you'd be offering the same line of challenge as these irrational people are. I doubt that there even is an "National Association bla bla of skeptics and forensics".
Yes there is a National Association of Forensic Criminologists, Archeologists, Skeptics and Historians Lionaxe. It can be found here >

http://www.nafcash.com/

As per your claim that the Treblinka Crime Scene Investigation Challenge requires one to find at least 870,000 bodies, you seem to be misrepresenting the truth by "at least" 99%. Here is what the challege requires >
Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust

NAFCASH TM is offering a $250,000.00 REWARD

For locating JUST ONE of the alleged “HUGE MASS GRAVES” of Treblinka

NAFCASH TM presents

THE TREBLINKA CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM

You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave’s EXACT location, its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density. The cremated remains must total AT LEAST one percent of the alleged mass murder.

JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!
Why would you misrepresent the truth by 99%? How could anyone who actually read the site and who actually wants anyone to take them seriously misrepresent the Treblinka Crime Scene Investigation Challenge requirement by 99%? What was that you were saying about intellectually corupt?
The 1% part is an added challenge, which was not on the site at the time Lionaxe posted.

Not that anyone believes NAFCASH has the money any more than John Ball had the money he offered.

Ship of Fools
Member
Posts: 126
Joined: 18 Jul 2006 07:02
Location: Europe

Post by Ship of Fools » 10 Aug 2007 06:33

The 1% part is an added challenge, which was not on the site at the time Lionaxe posted.
That claim is not correct. Please consult
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.nafcash.com

LionAxe
Member
Posts: 3
Joined: 14 May 2006 00:30
Location: Sweden

Post by LionAxe » 19 Aug 2007 21:39

force wrote: As per your claim that the Treblinka Crime Scene Investigation Challenge requires one to find at least 870,000 bodies, you seem to be misrepresenting the truth by "at least" 99%. Here is what the challege requires >
...

Why would you misrepresent the truth by 99%? How could anyone who actually read the site and who actually wants anyone to take them seriously misrepresent the Treblinka Crime Scene Investigation Challenge requirement by 99%? What was that you were saying about intellectually corupt?
True, I missed out on that note, it was a really notable blunder, I seem to have only read their contract-qualification on those seeking to sponsor-up the money as stated on their site (at least a year ago);
For those sponsors who wish to remain anonymous, THE TREBLINKA CSI CHALLENGE TM contract contains a legally binding confidentiality agreement. The relevant portion is reproduced verbatim below:
I understand that this pledge to the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION of FORENSIC CRIMINOLOGISTS, ARCHEOLOGISTS, SKEPTICS and HISTORIANS TM, in support of THE TREBLINKA CSI CHALLENGE TM, constitutes a legally binding contract and will remit within thirty (30) days of notification the amount listed above to the individual, group or organization that has, as authenticated by NAFCASH TM, scientifically proven the existence of the alleged �huge mass graves� of Treblinka and has forensically proven that they do contain the alleged remains of AT LEAST - 870,000 - people.
Heh...

However, finding the collective ashes (if it's correct that in -43 the corpses were dug up, burned and then had the ashes mixed with the soil) of 8,700 people after some 65 years in the soil is unreasonable enough.

With the combination of the depths of polychrome-areas aligned with very little soil/untouched/long since disturbed white-waves together with the above thick layers of classical 101 landscaped/excavated areals, it's safer to say that it is in fact disturbed soil.

Now for there to be a more clear take on possible trenches, there would need to be a patch-work done you see?
Because the soil was landscaped, farmed, excavated and chewed six ways from sunday, most areas would look very much alike.
Hence the need for the common patch-work is even greater. Naturally, the pits would have been several metres deeper than the average plowing done there, however there were such possible disturbances in the scan as which hinted on slightly narrow but v-shaped past excavations. If the scan was done on a pit's narrow side (for argument's sake) then it would hypothetically show this, or if it (the scan) had just grazed on the end of one of the pits, it would have shown this albeit less notably.

You do several series of ground probing scans and the align them next to each other for a better and enormously more exact overall-look on the qualities and quantities of the disturbances.

Bring the scan to a GPR expert and he'll tell you, I've verified it as so myself, even if I've got the physics down pretty good on my own.

However a single scan, obviously showing soil disturbance, isn't enough out of a much larger landscaped, excavated area, which this soil in the scan is only a small patch of. Hence the obvious necessity of a patch-work to see if there are anomolies, trench-forms appearing from a patched perspective.

David Thompson
Forum Staff
Posts: 23724
Joined: 20 Jul 2002 19:52
Location: USA

Post by David Thompson » 24 Aug 2007 03:32

A post from force, containing insulting personal remarks about another poster, was deleted by this moderator pursuant to the forum and section rules -- DT. These rules are posted for all to see at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=53962

Return to “Holocaust & 20th Century War Crimes”