Auschwitz Evacuated

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Post by xcalibur » 13 Jun 2004 22:48

David Thompson wrote:Karl -- You asked:
Why were the 60,000 marched off?

If there was a written order or other official explanation stating the reason for the evacuation, I haven't seen it. Without any official stated reasons, we can only guess why the 60,000 prisoners were marched off.

You also asked:
Why were there still 7,000 left inside?
Since we don't have the evacuation order, we don't know what its terms were, or what explanation may have been made.

At pp. 781-805 of Danuta Czech's book Auschwitz Chronicles, I.B. Tauris & Co. Ltd., London: 1990, there is a detailed chronology of the evacuation. Here is a very short version of the facts which pertain to your questions:

The evacuation appears to have been very disorderly. It started with a Red Army advance on Cracow that caught the Germans by surprise. At noon on 17 Jan 1945 Gouvernor-General Dr. jur. Hans Frank, the head of the Nazi occupation government of Poland, held a meeting in Cracow in which he declared that the city had been German since the earliest times and surrender was unthinkable. Two hours later Dr. Frank, his retinue and a convoy of loot left Cracow for Silesia.

As Dr. Frank's flight became known, the Germans in the area started to panic. In the early afternoon of 17 Jan, KL Auschwitz commandant Richard Baer personally chose the leaders of the evacuation columns, and told the SS guards to kill stragglers and anyone attempting to escape. The evacuations from satellite camps began as early as 4 PM on 17 Jan.

During the night of 17-18 Jan 1945, camp administrators burned a number of records. At Monowitz, the Germans told the prisoner-doctors to carefully examine the health conditions of the sick and to remove the names of all those able to march from the hospital records. The prisoner-doctors were told that only the seriously ill could remain behind, under the supervision of doctors who were themselves ill and unable to march.

On 20 Jan 1945 SS-Obergruppenf?hrer und General der Waffen-SS und Polizei Ernst Heinrich Schmauser, Senior SS and Police Commander ?Southeast? (HSSPF ?Suedost?) at Breslau, ordered SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Franz Xaver Kraus to kill all prisoners who were unable to march. Certainly, the SS did kill some of the prisoners remaining at the camps. By that point, however, most of the guard personnel had already left, and there were reports of SS men looting civilian clothes from the depot at the "Canada" facility to wear under their uniforms. As the SS guards fled, armed bands of Organization Todt members, local self-defense units, and Waffen-SS detachments remained in the area. For the most part these German forces appear to have been concerned with defending the area against the Red Army than with executing prisoners.

This is borne out by Hoess' testimony at the IMT on 15 April, 1946:

Q: Did you earn towards the end of the war concentration camps were to be evacuated, and, if so, who gave the orders?

A: ...At the beginning of 1945, when various camps came within the operational shere of the enemy the Reichsfuhrer oredered the HSSPF's, who in an emergency were responsible for the security and the safety of the camps, to decide for themselves whether an evacuation or surrender was appropriate.

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 13 Jun 2004 23:18

Here are two tables from the Italian edition of the Kalendarium. I don't know Italian, but everything's obvious.

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I detenuti, uomini e donne, entrano nei loro  campi  per
l?ultimo  appello  serale.  La  forza  dei  singoli  campi  e
sottocampi ammonta alle seguenti cifre:

Babitz                          159 detenuti uomini
Budy                            313 detenuti uomini
Plawy                           138 detenuti uomini
Wirtschaftshof-Birkenau         204 detenuti uomini
Stammlager Auschwitz         10.030 detenuti uomini
Mannerlager Birkenau          4.473 detenuti uomini
Totale                       15.317 detenuti uomini3
Frauenlager Auschwitz         6.196 detenute donne
Frauen-Lager Birkenau        10.381 detenute donne
Totale                       31.894 detenuti

[...]

Nei sottocampi che fanno parte del KL  Monowitz,  l?ex KL
Auschwitz III, vi sono:
Monowitz (Buna-Werke)              10.223 detenuti
Golleschau                          1.008 detenuti
Jawischowitz (Jawiszowice)          1.988 detenuti
Eintrachthutte (Swietochlowice)     1.297 detenuti
Neu-Dachs (Jaworzno)                3.664 detenuti
Blechhammer (Blachownia)            3.958 detenuti
Furstengrube (Wesola)               1.283 detenuti
Gute Hoffnung (Janinagrube, Libiaz)   853 detenuti
Guntergrube (Ledziny)                 586 detenuti
Brunn (Brno)                          36  detenuti
Gleiwitz I                          1.336 detenuti
Gleiwitz II                           740 detenuti
Gleiwitz III                          609 detenuti
Gleiwitz IV                           444 detenuti
Laurahutte (Siemianowice)             937 detenuti
Sosnowitz                             863 detenuti
Bobrek                                213 detenuti
Trzebinia                             641 detenuti
Althammer (Stara Kuznia)              486 detenuti
Tschechowitz-Dzieditz                 561 detenuti
Charlottengrube (Rydultowy)           833 detenuti
Hindenburg (Zabrze)                    70 detenuti
Bismarckhutte (Hajduki)               192 detenuti
Hubertushutte (Lagiewniki)            202 detenuti
Detenuti uomini                    33.023
detenute donne5                                                                2.095
Totale detenuti                                                                35.118

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Post by michael mills » 14 Jun 2004 07:30

The original questions were:

1.Why were 60,000 marched off? and

2. Why were 7,000 left behind?

The fact that the majority of the surviving prisoners in the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex were marched off to the nearest railway station and then shipped to camps further to the west is not at all surprising.

Ever since the westward advance of the Soviet Army brought it into areas where Jewish prisoners were held in camps, the prisoners were hastily evacuated to the west. That happened for the first time in the summer of 1944, when Jewish prisoners were evacuated from the Baltic States, in some cases by ship. They were taken initially to Stutthof near Danzig, then to other camps. Where an evacuation could not be carried out due to the rapid advance of Soviet forces, the Jewish prisoners were simply shot and their bodies disposed of.

Evacuation did not occur everywhere. The small numbers of Jews surviving in scattered ghettos and labour camps in the occupied Soviet Union (apart from the Baltic States) were apparently all liquidated when the Germans retreated, sometimes when the sound of the Soviet artillery could already be heard.

Thus, the evacuation of 60,000 surviving prisoners from Auschwitz is no surprise; it was in accordance with practice that had been in place for over six months.

What was surprising is the fact that the 7,000 prisoners who could not be evacuated were not liquidated, but were simply left behind. Perhaps that act of relative mercy was due to the fact that Himmler was trying to open negotiations with the Western Allies, and wanted to use the surviving Jews as bargaining chips. It appears that in November 1944 he forbade any further "Sonderbehandlung" of Jews.

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Post by David Thompson » 15 Jun 2004 17:04

From D.J. Goldhagen's book Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, Alfred A. Knopf, New York: 1996, p. 329.
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Post by Karl » 16 Jun 2004 03:36

Thanks to all.

Comments (if any) will be forthcoming in a few more days.

[That is a very interesting map, Mr Thompson. I am right in reading that 98,000 (!!!) prisoners were evacuated from Auschwitz? I have not read Goldhagen’s work yet. I have heard from many quarters it was crap – maybe time is coming to look at it myself.]

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Post by David Thompson » 16 Jun 2004 12:47

The 98,000 prisoner figure also appears on a map from an earlier work, Martin Gilbert's Atlas of the Holocaust, Macmillan Publiashing, New York: 1986, p. 215, which appears to be the basis for the map in Goldhagen's book.
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Post by Karl » 22 Jun 2004 00:24

I still think it is strange that they bothered to ‘evacuate’ these prisoners.

I also don’t know where Gilbert got 98,000 from. Even Lipstadt stuck to the 60,000 figure.

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Post by Karl » 24 Jun 2004 07:37

No footnotes from Gilbert concerning the 98,000, Mr Thompson?

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Post by David Thompson » 24 Jun 2004 21:23

Karl -- Gilbert gives a long bibliography at the back of his Atlas of the Holocaust, but there are no specific references to any specific map or event so I can't tell where he may have gotten the figure.

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Re: Auschwitz Evacuated

Post by paolosilv » 28 Mar 2011 10:40

The prisoners were evacuated to serve as slave labor, and so they could not testify to the Allies about the Nazi Crimes. The marches should properly be called "forced marches," but many thousands died along the way, as the trips occurred during the winter.

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Post by Hossbach » 29 Mar 2011 12:35

Himmler did indeed have negotiations going on with the West to surrender Jews and other KZ prisoners intact- but Kaltenbrunner appears to have set out to sabotage these negotiations and speed up their liquidation. This may have contributed to certain inconsistencies with regard to extermination policies as the Russians and other allies approached KZs such as Auschwitz. A more general picture follows:

"Kaltenbrunner was tireless in hunting down Jews for the gas chambers. Shortly after he became chief of RSHA he had 5000 Jews under sixty transferred to Auschwitz from the relative safety of Theresienstadt. He then complained that the Jews over sixty in that ghetto city were disease carriers and that they also tied up the energies of younger Jews who might be doing some useful work. Kaltenbrunner asked Himmler for his approval to send these old people, too, to Auschwitz, assuring his chief that he would be careful not to choose any Jews with important connections in foreign countries or with high war decorations. Himmler, who was now busy trying to ingratiate himself with the neutrals and the Allies, told Kaltenbrunner that the Jews should be allowed to live and die in this old people's ghetto in peace."

"Toward the end of the war Himmler played an unaccustomed humanitarian role when Kaltenbrunner set out on his killing expedition. Again, in the autumn of 1944, he told Kaltenbrunner, according to another SS witness, that no further exterminations must take place. 'I hold you personally responsible,' he wrote, 'even if this order should not be adhered to by subordinate offices.' "

"[...] He ordered Mauthausen to be surrendered intact to General Patton, but the commander of the camp, SS Major Frank Ziereis, who was mortally wounded as he attempted to escape at the time of the camp's surrender, on his deathbed told an American officer that Kaltenbrunner had wanted to blow up all the inmates."

"[...] How could Kaltenbrunner, it may well be asked, have been trying to curry favor with the Allies by such humanitarian acts as handing over Mauthausen to Patton, while at about the same time he was trying to kill its inmates, as well as those of other concentration camps? The answer may lie in his primitive character and his drunkenness. Kaltenbrunner's first instinct was to kill; but even more important than his sadism was his own skin, and in bursts of alcoholic euphoria he came to think he might be able to save it."

- The Trial of the Germans, by Eugene Davidson, pps. 320-1

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Re: Auschwitz Evacuated

Post by paolosilv » 10 Apr 2011 06:07

http://www.wymaninstitute.org/articles/ ... govern.php

“There is no question we should have attempted ... to go after Auschwitz,” [George] McGovern said in the interview. “There was a pretty good chance we could have blasted those rail lines off the face of the earth, which would have interrupted the flow of people to those death chambers, and we had a pretty good chance of knocking out those gas ovens.”

Even if there was a danger of accidentally harming some of the prisoners, “it was certainly worth the effort, despite all the risks,” McGovern said, because the prisoners were already “doomed to death” and an Allied bombing attack might have slowed down the mass murder process, thus saving many more lives.

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Re: Auschwitz Evacuated

Post by David Thompson » 10 Apr 2011 14:49

We have a number of open threads on the bombing of Auschwitz, so please post comments on that subject to one of these:

Why wasn't Auschwitz bombed?
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=80176
Israeli President: "Allies should have bombed Auschwitz
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=630866
FDR Knew About The Holocaust Early & The Plot To Spare N
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=49973
The Bombing of Auschwitz
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=83323

See also:
Auschwitz and Anglo-American Air Power: Historical Debates and Military Capabilities
http://www.bvalphaserver.com/documents/ADA319024.pdf

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