German rape victims find a voice at last
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Sergey Romanov
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If some men decided that to swage their anger over killed and tortured parents, friends, and relatives is to have sex with a few women...
No one says they deserved it, but they helped bring it upon themselves, unless you want to tell me all those women who supported Hitler in elections and votes weren't responsible for their own actions.
This amounts to justifying the rapes by the men who lost their relatives of women who "supported Hitler". Of course you were quick to add that you do not actually justify these actions, but if you didn't, there would be no reason to point all that out.These same women who supported Hitler also helped him build his weapons, or do you deny that women worked in factories? Building Hitler's arsenals? Planes, tanks, artillery shells, etc?
The first quote doesn't justify rapes, it simply points out that an entire country cannot be held responsible for what a few of it's citizens decide to do. The second shows that women did indeed play a role in German politicis and policies and the last shows that they helped Germany wage war, a genocidal war. Nowhere do I justify rape.Sergey Romanov wrote:If some men decided that to swage their anger over killed and tortured parents, friends, and relatives is to have sex with a few women...No one says they deserved it, but they helped bring it upon themselves, unless you want to tell me all those women who supported Hitler in elections and votes weren't responsible for their own actions.This amounts to justifying the rapes by the men who lost their relatives of women who "supported Hitler". Of course you were quick to add that you do not actually justify these actions, but if you didn't, there would be no reason to point all that out.These same women who supported Hitler also helped him build his weapons, or do you deny that women worked in factories? Building Hitler's arsenals? Planes, tanks, artillery shells, etc?
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My reluctance to comment in this forum is reinforced by silliness such as this:
Virtualroofer wrote:(referring to a previous post of mine and that of another person)
What I did say, and continue to believe, is that by launching a brutal war of annihilation against the peoples of eastern Europe, and inflicting terrible atrocities in the USSR, Poland and elsewhere, the Nazi German government created a climate in which the normal rules of war and decency and treament of prisoners and civilians were abandoned. Once the German Army proved incapable of winning the war or of even defending Germany, and the German government failed to provide for its citizens, it is not surprizing that the Soviet soldiers retaliated. This is not a justification, but rather an explanation. The German government unleashed a wave of brutality and terror, and then failed to protect its own people from the same.
Virtualroofer wrote:(referring to a previous post of mine and that of another person)
Nowhere in my previous post did I "justify" anything. In fact, if you bothered to actually read what I wrote, I flatly condemned the actions of the Soviet soldiers.The truth of the matter is that yes INDEED Germany invaded Russia, there were policies in effect whereby many many Russian men, women and children were murdered but for you to somehow say that this payback was somehow justified makes me want to puke.
What I did say, and continue to believe, is that by launching a brutal war of annihilation against the peoples of eastern Europe, and inflicting terrible atrocities in the USSR, Poland and elsewhere, the Nazi German government created a climate in which the normal rules of war and decency and treament of prisoners and civilians were abandoned. Once the German Army proved incapable of winning the war or of even defending Germany, and the German government failed to provide for its citizens, it is not surprizing that the Soviet soldiers retaliated. This is not a justification, but rather an explanation. The German government unleashed a wave of brutality and terror, and then failed to protect its own people from the same.
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Beppo Schmidt
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You see what you want to see and you read what you want to read.Beppo Schmidt wrote:Rape isn't the same as having sex. Wording it the way you did gives the impression that it was consensual, which often was not the case.If some men decided that to swage their anger over killed and tortured parents, friends, and relatives is to have sex with a few women...
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Beppo Schmidt
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Beppo Schmidt
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No one says they deserved it, but they helped bring it upon themselves, unless you want to tell me all those women who supported Hitler in elections and votes weren't responsible for their own actions.
You say that an entire country cannot be held responsible for the actions of some of its citizens, and yet you say that the German women who were raped helped bring it on themselves, as though they all supported Hitler. German Communists were raped as well.The first quote doesn't justify rapes, it simply points out that an entire country cannot be held responsible for what a few of it's citizens decide to do.
I think most people make a distinction between rape and having sex.And that is what they did, they had sex. How you interpret it in your own mind is not my responsibility, thus you think I'm trying to hide what happened, thus you see what you want to see.
They didn't all have to support Hitler, standing by and doing nothing is also a crime in some people's eyes. What I showed, again, is that they were responsible for bringing Hitler to power, letting Hitler dictate German policy with their approval, and helped Hitler's Army in their genocidal war on the Eastern Front. Thus a direct result of their contribution to Germany and her Army was the war on the Eastern Front (among other fronts) and eventual defeat at the hands of the allies.Beppo Schmidt wrote: You say that an entire country cannot be held responsible for the actions of some of its citizens, and yet you say that the German women who were raped helped bring it on themselves, as though they all supported Hitler. German Communists were raped as well.
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Beppo Schmidt
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How many women were involved in these assassination plots? If you are going to go out on tangents then don't try debating with me.Beppo Schmidt wrote:The number of assassination plots against Hitler proves that "they" did not all stand by and do nothing.They didn't all have to support Hitler, standing by and doing nothing is also a crime in some people's eyes.