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[Luca]

Exactly.
Where i can read the complete declarations of Muller?

[Hans]

Exactly.
Where i can read the complete declarations of Muller?

Ciao Luca,

Filip Müller, Sonderbehandlung. Drei Jahre in den Krematorien und Gaskammern von Auschwitz, Verlag Steinhausen.

I've the book at home, have read it. I don't remember that he wrote something about human soap.

He also has testified at the first Auschwitz trial in Frankfurt, parts of his testimony are transcribed in Herman Langbein, Der Auschwitz-Prozess. An audio record of his testimony (he spoke in broken German) is in the possesion of the Fritz-Bauer Institut in Frankfurt.

[Roberto]

Exactly.
Where i can read the complete declarations of Muller?

In the book he wrote, I presume:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 52-7210431

[Luca]

Thank You a lot for all precious intormations.

Hans,
if is possible,can You read the book from page 136 concern the burning operation and inform me if re write some notes concern the human fat? A short scan will super.
Sorry for Your precious time.
Best Regards
Luca

[Hans]

Thank You a lot for all precious intormations.

Hans,
if is possible,can You read the book from page 136 concern the burning operation and inform me if re write some notes concern the human fat? A short scan will super.
Sorry for Your precious time.
Best Regards
Luca

Luca,
he doesn't say anything about human fat on page 136 and the following pages. There, he describes how a brave Jewish woman - some say she was italian - shot dead the SS man Schillinger in the undressing room of a crematorium.

Perhaps you mean page 207, where Müller describes how HUMAN FAT was collected from the burning pits. This was, however, not used for making soap, but as fuel for the burning pits!

"Ein paar Tage später hatten wir es geschafft. Die zwei Gruben, die ausgehoben worden waren, hatten eine Länge von 40 bis 50 Metern, waren etwa 8 Meter breit und 2 Meter tief. Die große Vernichtungsstätte war aber noch lange nicht einsatzbereit. Nachdem die grobe Arbeit getan war, ging es an die Ausführung der von Mollersonnenen Details, die eine Vernichtungsphase von schauerlicher Erfindungskraft offenbarten.
Zusammen mit seinem Helfer Eckardt stieg der Mordingenieur in eine der Gruben hinunter und markierte auf dem Grund einen 25 bis 30 cm breiten Streifen, der in Längsrichtung mitten hindurchlief. Hier sollte durch Ausstechen der Erde von der Mitte nach beiden Seiten hin leicht abschüssiger Kanal entstehen, damit das Fett der Leichen , wenn sie in der Grube brannten, in zwei Auffangbehälter abfließen konnte, die auf beiden Seiten am Ende des Kanals ausgehoben konnten.
Moll jagte nun eine Gruppe von Häftlingen in die Grube, die mit Spaten, Schaufeln, Hämmern, Kellen, Ziegelsteinen, Zement und Wasserwaagen ausgerüstet waren. Sie sollten den Abflußkanal für das Menschenfett herstellen. Es schien unfaßbar: Abflußkanäle für Menschenfett, das man als Brennstoff verwenden wollte...etc..."

Source: Filip Müller, Sonderbehandlung, page 207, 208.

best regards,

Hans

[Luca]

Dear Hans,
thank You a lot!
Sorry for the no right page.I ve found it in the net today.
I no speak german....

Sorry for the disturb in this topic. Yesterday night i surf in the net and arrive in 1 ot the 1000 sites concern the camps. Probable was 1 of the so called Revisionist site. I really no ve pratica concern these aspects of denied or not or so, but im really interested in this topic. I collect KL and Ghetto items from several years cause my trips in "east" Europe but i live in a little village in high mountains and i surfing only from little time so i concrete don't know nothing.
In this site was mentoned Muller that declared that he look buried the bodies up the wood and waiting for take human fat.
The comment in the site was the the animal fat ve a point of infiammability of 182 C and a temperature of accension (start fire?) of 343 C, cause the temperature of accension of the wood is 325-350 C, the animal fat, during the combustion of the wood, buried immediatly and is impossible for take in any system.
Concern the 343 C is signed a source = J. H. Perry, Chemical Engineer's Handbook. Wilmington, Delaware 1949, p.1584.

So i was very curious for know whar really declared Muller.
Please can you read the german text and inform me if he really say this or not?
Thank You very much.
Luca

Ps = sorry for my terrible english.

[Kim]

If there WOULD have been a commercial manufacture of soap made from human fat,wouldn't there have been a natural aversion by many people to cleanse their bodies and laundry with a dead human by-product? Especially an "inferior" dead human? Kim

[Dan]

If there WOULD have been a commercial manufacture of soap made from human fat,wouldn't there have been a natural aversion by many people to cleanse their bodies and laundry with a dead human by-product? Especially an "inferior" dead human? Kim

Yes, this is a powerful argument. I can scarce imagine SS Skanderbeg or Handschar using this hypothetical soap. Rumors of this sort lead to the Sepoy rebellion.

Tomorrow I intend to post the available data in suport of this strange belief.

[Roberto]

If there WOULD have been a commercial manufacture of soap made from human fat,wouldn't there have been a natural aversion by many people to cleanse their bodies and laundry with a dead human by-product? Especially an "inferior" dead human? Kim

Yes, this is a powerful argument. I can scarce imagine SS Skanderbeg or Handschar using this hypothetical soap. Rumors of this sort lead to the Sepoy rebellion.

Tomorrow I intend to post the available data in suport of this strange belief.

A strange belief obviously supported by neither criminal justice nor historiography, who never concluded on anything more than occasional experimental attempts to manufacture soap from human fat.

[Scott Smith]

Here's a timely article:

CLICK! "World War I Atrocity Propaganda and the Holocaust:
Is There a Lesson Here?" by Paul Grubach.

And an old classic:

CLICK! "Jewish Soap," by Mark Weber.

[Roberto]

Here's a timely article:

CLICK! "World War I Atrocity Propaganda and the Holocaust:
Is There a Lesson Here?" by Paul Grubach.

And an old classic:

CLICK! "Jewish Soap," by Mark Weber.

Anything you can offer that is not authored by "Revisionist" True Believers?

[Dan]

I can´t even remember where but wasn´t there some story about some existing "soap" samples being given burial somewhere?
Has any of these samples been analitzed? All this gives me flashbacks to this Brad Pitt movie of "Fight Club"

Yes, many bars of soap were given kosher burials. Many samples of these bars have been analysed, and none have turned out to have been made with people. It would seem that those Jews who participated in these ceremonies buried pigs, cows or the exracts from certain vegetables.

[Dan]

This is a preliminary list of the various proofs for the still widely held belief that Germans made people into soap. Please add to this list anything that I have left out.

a) A common lab recipe for soap at a German technical institute USSR Document 196

b) An affidavit by a laboratory assistant named Mazur, where the above recipe is greatly changed, USSR Document 197

c) A cake of soap presented by the Soviets at Nuremburg, USSR Document 393

d) Affidavits by two British POWs Neely and Witton, USSR Documents number 272 and 264 respectively

e) Cakes of soap refered to at the Nizkor site, which are not identified.

f) Anacdotal evidence of soap making at Stuttof.

After we get a fuller list, perhaps we can debate the data individually.

[Roberto]

This is a preliminary list of the various proofs for the still widely held belief that Germans made people into soap.

I'd say the "widely held belief that Germans made people into soap" is a folkloristic myth that has nothing to do with the evidence, for all the evidence proves is that there were some experimental attempts to make soap from human fat at Stutthof concentration camp.

[Scott Smith]

This is a preliminary list of the various proofs for the still widely held belief that Germans made people into soap.

I'd say the "widely held belief that Germans made people into soap" is a folkloristic myth that has nothing to do with the evidence, for all the evidence proves is that there were some experimental attempts to make soap from human fat at Stutthof concentration camp.

Using the same high standards of Nuremberg evidence, the alleged witnesses say they were forced to use this soap for themselves. And the articles I gave above, which Roberto has refused to address, give additional examples of Soal Libel. If the Nazis made experimental Human Soap then they made Human Soap. Period.