Hitler's intent to wage aggressive war

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DavidFrankenberg
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Re: Hitler's intent to wage aggressive war

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 20 Apr 2020 04:12

michael mills wrote:
16 May 2019 03:58
Given the exculpatory purpose of the preface (and indeed of the entire diary, according to the CIA article), Ciano's claim that Ribbentrop said "We want war" on 12 August 1939, in the lead-up to the attack on Poland, cannot be accepted at face value, unless there is corroborating evidence. Ribbentrop may have said those words, or he may have said something less dramatic that Ciano misrepresented in retrospect.

Thus, if anybody falsified material contained in Ciano's diary and the accompanying documents, it can only have been Ciano himself.
I disagree. You cant blame Ciano or Mussolini or the Italians for any responsability in the outbreak of the war.
Like Ciano said, the traitor was Hitler, and the betrayed were Mussolini and himself.
When they signed the Pact of Steel, it was agreed that the war should not occur before 3 or 4 years. Italy was absolutely not ready for any war at that time.

Ciano had absolutely no responsability in the upcoming of the war. With Mussolini he always tried to avoid the war. In München 38, with Poland 39 he always proposed peace conference to Hitler. In 1943 he proposed peace with Russia... etc

The only warmonger was Hitler.

Ciano had nothing to prove... whe he is writing that Ribbentrop said "we want the war", he simply just wants to make it clear that the only one who wanted the war and had responsability in it was Hitler and Germany.

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Re: Hitler's intent to wage aggressive war

Post by SloveneLiberal » 20 Apr 2020 17:54

It was completly clear when just after Muenchen agreement about Sudetenland Hitler who promised that was all what he wanted demanded the rest of Czechoslovakia and Danzing already in 1938. Even Chamberlain then understood that war will soon start and Hitler can not be trusted. Mussolini and Ciano should realize this before signing the pact of steel in May 1939.

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Re: Hitler's intent to wage aggressive war

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 20 Apr 2020 20:02

SloveneLiberal wrote:
20 Apr 2020 17:54
It was completly clear when just after Muenchen agreement about Sudetenland Hitler who promised that was all what he wanted demanded the rest of Czechoslovakia and Danzing already in 1938. Even Chamberlain then understood that war will soon start and Hitler can not be trusted. Mussolini and Ciano should realize this before signing the pact of steel in May 1939.
Ciano didnt want to sign it. Mussolini ordered it.
Ciano didnt want to ally with Hitler, cause he didnot truts him.
Mussolini decided to sign because he knew Hitler was going to war, and he knew Hitler would win it, so Mussolini just wanted a piece of this victory and expand at few expenses.

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