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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by danyb » 01 Apr 2019 07:22

Johann Hirschbiegel was sentenced to 4 years imprisonnement (not to death).

there is 2 death sentences (in absentia) against Philipp Mehl.
first for the Killing of 2 US soldiers.
second for the Killing of 2 polish men.
also , a sentence to 5 years imprisonment (in absentia) for mishandling of french citizen.

Wilhelm Pape:
SS.Unterscharführer of SIPO-SD Nantes

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by ansata1976 » 01 Apr 2019 12:45

Thank you both Georges + Danyb

Which information (crime, rank, department etc.) do you have about

Lothar Stolbinger (17.11.1909 in Bamberg) death sentence 11.07.1950 in Metz (in absentia)
Josef Steier (11.08.1917 in Oberursel) death sentence 23.07.1952 in Bordeaux (in absentia)
Otto Grabowski (?) death sentence 13.04.1951 in Metz (in absentia)
Helmuth Schlierbach (17.6.1913 in Offenbach/Main) death sentence 02.07.1954 in Lyon (in absentia)
Johannes Lottmann (17.05.1911 in Castrop-Rauxel) death sentence 26.09.1952 in Lyon (in absentia)
Walter Eduard Janssen (07.08.1912 in Bremerhaven) death sentence 28.11.1951 in Bordeaux (in absentia)
Erwin Klahr (09.02.1910 in Hamburg) death sentence 20.02.1952 in Bordeaux (in absentia)

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by danyb » 01 Apr 2019 13:46

Helmut Schlierbach (Gestapo Strasbourg) was on Natzweiler Trial.

i have a Erwin Klahr , member of SIPO-SD in Agen.
i don't know if it was the same man.

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by steve248 » 01 Apr 2019 15:35

Helmut Schlierbach was tried with Oberg, Isselhorst and others before a British Military Court in Wuppertal, 17 June-11 July 1946. They were charged with “committing war crimes…in the Vosges district, were concerned in or about in the months of September/October, 1944, in the killing of Allied airborne troops and personnel of air crews, prisoners of war.”
11 July 1946, convicted and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment.
4 Jan 1947, judgement confirmed
20 Feb 1947, Final Judgement promulgated
4 April 1952, released from Werl Prison: “Remission for good conduct and pre-trial custody”
source: TNA Kew, WO 235/554 to 559 (“The Vosges Case”)

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by steve248 » 01 Apr 2019 15:48

French charges re Schlierbach possibly relate to his posting 1 June 1944 to BdS Strasbourg who appointed him Führer, Einsatzkommando Strasbourg; 23 Nov-20 Dec 1944 "Security Police action in Kolmar"; Xmas 1944 with the BdS in Karlsruhe.

Erwin Klahr came from, and returned to, Kripoleitstelle Hamburg.
May 1943-June 1944, Staffel-Stuschaf KrimSek at KdS Toulouse, Verwaltung and Judenreferat.

No information on the others.

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by ansata1976 » 01 Apr 2019 22:37

I found in a source that
Otto Grabowski (?) death sentence 13.04.1951 in Metz (in absentia) Oberst der Feldgendarmerie in Charleville
was sentenced together with
Karl Theodor Molinari (07.02.1915 in Bonn) death sentence 13.04.1951 in Metz (in absentia) Major der Wehrmacht

I found in a source that Johannes Lottmann (17.05.1911 in Castrop-Rauxel) death sentence 26.09.1952 in Lyon (in absentia)
was sentenced together with
Wronski, Waldmann, Herberg (or Herbert), Meyer
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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by ansata1976 » 01 Apr 2019 22:38

What was the crime of
Johannes Lottmann (17.05.1911 in Castrop-Rauxel) death sentence 26.09.1952 in Lyon (in absentia)
Walter Eduard Janssen (07.08.1912 in Bremerhaven) death sentence 28.11.1951 in Bordeaux (in absentia)
Lothar Stolbinger (17.11.1909 in Bamberg) death sentence 11.07.1950 in Metz (in absentia)
Josef Steier (11.08.1917 in Oberursel) death sentence 23.07.1952 in Bordeaux (in absentia)
Gustav Schlüter (?) death sentence 20.02.1952 in Bordeaux (in absentia) died 1965

Maybe Danyb or Puck can help.

What is the date of release of SS-Untersturmführer Lorenz Kreuzer (?) sentenced to life imprisonment 15.12.1950 in Paris (died 1976 in München)
and
What is the date of release of SS-Hauptsturmführer Alfred Meissner (07.02.1896 in Hamburg-Altona) sentenced to 5 years hard labour 10.05.1950 in Lyon

I am interested in a trial:
Trial 25.04.1952 - 26.04.1952 in Lyon
Defendants: Erich Hasse, Knittel, Fritz Merdsche, Max Winterling, Schulz, Hemmerich, Ernst Basedow
What are the correct names of the defendants? What was their sentence? What was their crime?
I know only one defendant: Friedrich Merdsche (01.08.1906 in Frankfurt/Main) death Sentence (in absentia)

What was the crime of:
Karl Anton Roemen death sentence 1946 executed 1948
Alfredo Palmieri executed 1946 in Marseille
Hermann Bickler (28.12.1904 in Hottviller) death sentence 03.09.1947 in Strasbourg
Paul Schall death sentence 03.09.1947 in Strasbourg
Rene Hauss death sentence 03.09.1947 in Strasbourg
Rene Ohl death sentence 28.05.1946 in Limoges (executed 10.08.1946)
Rutz executed 1946
Rene Bach death sentence
Sutter executed 09.05.1946 in Bourges

What was the fate of Harald Mauz (?) SD Besançon death sentence 10.05.1950 in Lyon
What are the details of Heinrich Bechtel (?) SIPO-SD/KdS of Poitiers 20 years hard labour 1953

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by danyb » 02 Apr 2019 09:36

T.M.P. Lyon:
dates: 25.04.1950 - 26.04.1950
jugement No 156/4331

SS.Hauptscharführer Ernst Basedow
born.01.11.1905. in Waren
SIPO-SD Bourges
sentence to 10 years imprisonment

SS.Hauptsturmführer Fritz Merdsche
born.01.08.1906. in Frankfurt/Main
SIPO-SD Bourges
death sentence in absentia

SS.Obersturmführer Erich Hasse
born. ??
SIPO-SD Bourges
death sentence in absentia

SS.Hauptscharführer Johann Knittel
born. ??
SIPO-SD Bourges
death sentence in absentia

Max Winterling
born. ??
SIPO-SD Bourges
death sentence in absentia

SS.Hauptscharführer Friedrich Karl Schulz
born.02.10.1899. in Sarreburg
SIPO-SD Bourges
sentence to 20 years H.L in absentia

source:

Ministére des Armées
Dépôt Central d'Archives de la Justice Militaire
54 rue de la Guigniére
BP 214
36300 LEBLANC
France

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by steve248 » 02 Apr 2019 12:16

Erich Hasse - born 29 March 1910, Munich

Max Winterling - no data, but see this:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=y8X ... es&f=false

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by danyb » 02 Apr 2019 14:25

steve248 wrote:
01 Apr 2019 15:48
French charges re Schlierbach possibly relate to his posting 1 June 1944 to BdS Strasbourg who appointed him Führer, Einsatzkommando Strasbourg; 23 Nov-20 Dec 1944 "Security Police action in Kolmar"; Xmas 1944 with the BdS in Karlsruhe.

Erwin Klahr came from, and returned to, Kripoleitstelle Hamburg.
May 1943-June 1944, Staffel-Stuschaf KrimSek at KdS Toulouse, Verwaltung and Judenreferat.


Natzweiler trial:

T.P.F.A. Metz
15.06.1954 - 02.07.1954
jugement No 285/386

accusé No 66:

le non militaire SCHLIERBACH Helmuth
filiation inconnue
né le 17 juin 1913 a Offenbach
état , domicile , et profession inconnus
Taille: 1m 70 Cheveux: blonds Yeux: bleus

au moment des faits , chef de la Gestapo de Strasbourg.

accusé:
-de association de malfaiteurs
-de complicité d'assassinats

jugement: Peine de Mort (par contumace)

Heinrich Hilker and Ernst Maier , from Gestapo Strasbourg, were too tried in absentia on this trial.

Thank You for the infos on Erwin Klahr.

Best Regards
Danyb

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by Puck » 02 Apr 2019 19:52

ansata1976 wrote:
01 Apr 2019 22:37
I found in a source that Johannes Lottmann (17.05.1911 in Castrop-Rauxel) death sentence 26.09.1952 in Lyon (in absentia)
was sentenced together with
Wronski, Waldmann, Herberg (or Herbert), Meyer

There was also a trial in Lyon ended on 16.10.1947 (crime in Annemasse 1943)
Johannes Lottmann - SS-Polizei-Regiment 19, Hauptmann der Schutzpolizei - death sentence (in absentia)
? Wronski - Adjudant SS-Polizei-Regiment 19 - death (in absentia)
Alexander Waldmann (born 20.06.1910 Colmar) - SS-Polizei-Regiment 19 - 20 years
Artur Herbert - SS-Polizei-Regiment 19, Leutnant der Schutzpolizei - death sentence (in absentia)
Georg Meyer - Grenzpolizei/Gestapo - death sentence (in absentia)

http://www.legal-tools.org/doc/7818da/pdf/

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by Puck » 02 Apr 2019 20:08

ansata1976 wrote:
01 Apr 2019 22:38
What was the crime of
Gustav Schlüter (?) death sentence 20.02.1952 in Bordeaux (in absentia) died 1965
Gustav Schlüter, Leutnant der Reserve, was the Stützpunktkommandant Sainte-Maure in august 1944, linked to the massacre of Maillé

Regards Puck

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by Georges JEROME » 02 Apr 2019 22:14

Botho (not Otto) Grabowski was Oberst (in german army not gendarmerie ) and last Feldkommandant Charleville (Ardennes)

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung wrote in 1969 that Grabowski was sentenced to death and executed on 1951.
But another source stated he died on juilly 1964 at Hannover.
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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by ansata1976 » 03 Apr 2019 15:28

Gustav Schlüter (02.06.1907 in Kiel) Leutnant der Wehrmacht death sentence 20.02.1952 in Bordeaux (in absentia) died 1965

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Re: French War Crimes Proceedings

Post by ansata1976 » 03 Apr 2019 16:13

I am interested in more information about:

René Bach (11.07.1921 in Voellerdingen) Gestapo Carcassonne death sentence 30.07.1945
René Adolf Ohl (06.01.1910 in Erstein) Gestapo Chateauroux, Perpignan + Toulouse death sentence 28.05.1946 in Limoges (executed 10.08.1946)
Pierre Sutter (19.06.1920 in Mühlhausen) Gestapo Périgueux + Châteauroux death sentence 20.03.1946 (executed 09.05.1946 in Bourges)
Harald Mauz (?) SD Besançon death sentence 10.05.1950 in Lyon
Heinrich Bechtel (?) SIPO-SD/KdS Poitiers sentenced to 20 years hard labour 1953
Paul Schall (?) NSDAP-Kreisleiter Monsheim + Straßburg death sentence 03.09.1947 in Strasbourg
René Hauss (1896) death sentence 03.09.1947 in Strasbourg
Lothar Stolbinger (17.11.1909 in Bamberg) death sentence 11.07.1950 in Metz (in absentia)
Josef Steier (11.08.1917 in Oberursel) death sentence 23.07.1952 in Bordeaux (in absentia)
Walter Eduard Janssen (07.08.1912 in Bremerhaven) death sentence 28.11.1951 in Bordeaux (in absentia)
Wilhelm Mettel (?) sentenced to life imprisonment 13.11.1946 in Toulouse

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