A review about the preventive war

[Starinov]

Here is an interesting review of the German-Soviet conflict.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n6p59_Michaels.html

[Schwalbe]

Wasn´t it so that Hitler said that he was absolutely certain that Stalin would attack as soon as he (Stalin) could build up his army. (Especially tanks) That´s why Hitler launched the assault to "knock down the door to the old barn"

[Caldric]

It did not matter if Stalin was going to attack or anyone else, Hitler had promised and stated many times that he was going to colonize the East. All of these excuses to somehow remove the German guilt of the war are just that excuses. Hitler and Germany would have invaded a perfectly peaceful USSR as they would one that had "potential" hostile intentions. This is just Half-baked defense of Nazi Aggression against almost all of the nations of Europe.

Not to mention it comes from the Neo-Nazi IHR revisionist "We lie to make our point" website.

[Starinov]

Not to mention it comes from the Neo-Nazi IHR revisionist "We lie to make our point" website.

OOPS, I did not see that one. I read the link, found it interesting and did not look at the address....

Still, Hitler wanted to colonise the East but it was not to be in the near future.

[Caldric]

Not to mention it comes from the Neo-Nazi IHR revisionist "We lie to make our point" website.

OOPS, I did not see that one. I read the link, found it interesting and did not look at the address....

Still, Hitler wanted to colonise the East but it was not to be in the near future.

Ahh I was just pointing it out, seems that most of the revisionist these days think they can excuse German aggression with "What Might Have Been". That is not pointed at you since I know well your stance on all of it.

Much like the one that "Japan might have surrendered in 6 months or 10 years" who knows. Point is they did not, nor did Stalin order the Red Army to invade Germany.

[Bill Medland]

I firmly believe that the German invasion of Russia was a preventative move, and that Stalin planned to attack Germany sooner or later.
I am not a revisionist, I was told this by WW2 Waffen-SS veterans who talked about this for many years before people like Irving came along.
Regards,Bill

[Scott Smith]

Caldric, do you have any evidence that the "IHR lies to make a point"? Or do you just disagree for reasons of American jingoism? Germany had a far better case for going to war against the Soviet Union then Bush does for going to war in Iraq. Furthermore, the Germans actually had the guts to fight the Communists. We never did--unless you call Korea and Vietnam, which were not fought to win, fighting the Communists. Yes, we need an Evil-empire to give our own empty lives meaning, don't we?

[member7]

It did not matter if Stalin was going to attack or anyone else, Hitler had promised and stated many times that he was going to colonize the East. All of these excuses to somehow remove the German guilt of the war are just that excuses. Hitler and Germany would have invaded a perfectly peaceful USSR as they would one that had "potential" hostile intentions. This is just Half-baked defense of Nazi Aggression against almost all of the nations of Europe.

You obviously then have no idea what Hitler and his National Socialist movement were about. The communists said many times they intended to invade Germany. The Germans were fighting a war of self defense against the Bolshevik menace. In fact the entire war the Germans fought was one of self defense. First against the big 2 (France and England) then against the Big three (the United States, the Soviet Union and England).

[Caldric]

Yes what about the 2 million German POWs killed in Western Hands? That a lie or truth Scott? That is one of many, such as the Pictures they tried to slander a few months back. One just has to take a look at the racist and pathetic web site to find all kinds of juicy horseshit lying around.

No the constant comparison between the US and Germany 60 years ago shows how shallow ones arguments are. Germans only had guts for conquest and murder of the East. Of course that is all lies right? The difference is the United States and the USSR knew what direct conflict would come to. Plus unlike the shallow arguments of US Empire

[Oleg Grigoryev]

It did not matter if Stalin was going to attack or anyone else, Hitler had promised and stated many times that he was going to colonize the East. All of these excuses to somehow remove the German guilt of the war are just that excuses. Hitler and Germany would have invaded a perfectly peaceful USSR as they would one that had "potential" hostile intentions. This is just Half-baked defense of Nazi Aggression against almost all of the nations of Europe.

You obviously then have no idea what Hitler and his National Socialist movement were about. The communists said many times they intended to invade Germany. The Germans were fighting a war of self defense against the Bolshevik menace. In fact the entire war the Germans fought was one of self defense. First against the big 2 (France and England) then against the Big three (the United States, the Soviet Union and England).

they did - when?

[Caldric]

It did not matter if Stalin was going to attack or anyone else, Hitler had promised and stated many times that he was going to colonize the East. All of these excuses to somehow remove the German guilt of the war are just that excuses. Hitler and Germany would have invaded a perfectly peaceful USSR as they would one that had "potential" hostile intentions. This is just Half-baked defense of Nazi Aggression against almost all of the nations of Europe.

You obviously then have no idea what Hitler and his National Socialist movement were about. The communists said many times they intended to invade Germany. The Germans were fighting a war of self defense against the Bolshevik menace. In fact the entire war the Germans fought was one of self defense. First against the big 2 (France and England) then against the Big three (the United States, the Soviet Union and England).

What is the movement? Come on tell me? Arent you the same Nazi that stated the destruction of the East was justified? So don't even come in here an question my knowledge, your own is so distorted by lies and Nazism that anything you say I take as either a lie or propaganda you read somewhere.


Oh yeah i remember your statements. "The Russians had enough land that they should give some to the Germans", "They did not deserve it".

[Schwalbe]

I don´t think I´m being revisionist by poining out how Hitler reasoned.....

[Caldric]

It did not matter if Stalin was going to attack or anyone else, Hitler had promised and stated many times that he was going to colonize the East. All of these excuses to somehow remove the German guilt of the war are just that excuses. Hitler and Germany would have invaded a perfectly peaceful USSR as they would one that had "potential" hostile intentions. This is just Half-baked defense of Nazi Aggression against almost all of the nations of Europe.

You obviously then have no idea what Hitler and his National Socialist movement were about. The communists said many times they intended to invade Germany. The Germans were fighting a war of self defense against the Bolshevik menace. In fact the entire war the Germans fought was one of self defense. First against the big 2 (France and England) then against the Big three (the United States, the Soviet Union and England).

they did - when?

Just the same old line from Nazi Apologist Oleg. They were poor poor victims you know, saving the World from Bolsheviks. If they even know what Bolshevik means.

[Schwalbe]

Also, I don´t think pointing out historical facts is "removing Germanys guilt of the war". I bet you could ask just about any german and they would say they thought the war was a great tradgedy. I don´t like people talking about guilt. How many german generations do you think should pay for the tradgedy of WW2?

[Caldric]

Also, I don´t think pointing out historical facts is "removing Germanys guilt of the war". I bet you could ask just about any german and they would say they thought the war was a great tradgedy. I don´t like people talking about guilt. How many german generations do you think should pay for the tradgedy of WW2?

I don't give a damn how many German Generations have to pay for their nations war guilt, and is not so much the war as putting Women, Children, Elderly and anyone else they deemed enemies to death by Gas, or shooting or just bashing their brains out. That is the guilt. However this has not one thing to do with the topic nor post. Saying that Germany was only defending itself from USSR aggression is nonsense, perhaps the USSR would have invaded one day, but it had nothing to do with Germany making war in the East.