Linienschiff "Schlesien"

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Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby CNE503 » 09 Apr 2017 15:45

Hello,

What was the status of this pre-Dreadnought battleship at the start of WWII?
I read that she was a training ship, but some sources indicate that she bombed the Westerplatte with her sister-ship "Schleswig-Holstein".

Did she participate to the fights of the Polenfeldzug?

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby Skarpskytten » 10 Apr 2017 07:54

CNE503 wrote:I read that she was a training ship, but some sources indicate that she bombed the Westerplatte with her sister-ship "Schleswig-Holstein".

Did she participate to the fights of the Polenfeldzug?


Yes, she did fight in the Polenfeldsug but I find nothing to support that she bombarded Westerplatte.

She did fight at Hela, 25.– 27.9.1939 if what I find is correct.

Soruces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hel
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/39-08.htm#SEP, on which https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Schlesien is partly based
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waf ... lesien.htm
http://german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ship ... rions.html

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby CNE503 » 11 Apr 2017 21:17

Skarpskytten,

Thank you. I understand that "Schlesien" was involved in the late stages of the Polish campaign. But when did she join the fray? Was she deployed there from the start, on September 1st, 1939? Or was it later?

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby Terry Duncan » 13 Apr 2017 22:18

CNE503 wrote:Skarpskytten,

Thank you. I understand that "Schlesien" was involved in the late stages of the Polish campaign. But when did she join the fray? Was she deployed there from the start, on September 1st, 1939? Or was it later?

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All I have is that she acted as an icebreaker to aid U-boat deployment mostly, but did bombard Polish positions near the coast from 25th - 27th September 1939 along with her sister Schleswig-Holstein which may be where the confusion with the bombardment of Westerplatte originates? Sadly that is about all I can find, probably because the old ships were less glamourous than the newer and larger ships, rather like the role of the older ships in WWI is largely overlooked now.

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby CNE503 » 14 Apr 2017 15:15

Well, I guess that she was in Kiel on September 1st, 1939 like the major parts of the surface units dedicated to the Baltic campaign.

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby Peter K. » 14 Apr 2017 18:50

According to her war diary SCHLESIEN anchored at the Strandener Bucht near Kiel on 01.09.1939, but she was ordered to be in the naval yard at Kiel on the morning of 02.09.1939 to get a new "Mehrfachlafette C 34". It took until 17.09.1939, when the Skl ordered the participation of the old ship in coastal bombardements together with her sister SCHLESWIG HOLSTEIN. Therfore SCHLESIEN should leave Kiel on 19.09.1939, convoyed be the old torpedoboats T 107 and T 190. The first bombardement of Hela by SCHELSIEN took place on 21.09.1939 at 14:50. 15 heavy rounds were fired by turret A.

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby CNE503 » 18 Apr 2017 21:56

May I ask, Peter, whether you have the same kind of information about the German light cruisers deployment at the start of the operation "Weiss" on September 1st, 1939 at dawn?

Here is what I found about them:
- "Karlsruhe" was in Wilhelmshaven to get some upgrades (not available until November 1939);
- "Königsberg", as the flagship for the Befehlshaber der Aufklärungsstreitkräfte, was anchored in Wilhelmshaven;
- "Emden" was in the North Sea (in the Deutsch Bucht) to lay some mines. I guess she was operating from Wilhelmshaven;
- "Köln", "Leipzig" and "Nürnberg" were in Kiel to support operation "Weiss" along the baltic coast whenever needed.

Am I right or wrong?

Thanks for your help!
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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby Peter K. » 18 Apr 2017 23:04

EMDEN anchored at Wilhelmshaven-Reede ready for minelaying operation
KÖNIGSBERG left Kiel in the early morning, went through the K.W. channel and loaded mines in the afternoon near Altenbruch
LEIPZIG entered Kiel harbor shortly after midnight, went through the K.W. channel in the morning and reached Wilhelmshaven in the evening for taking mines the next day

I don´t have the war diary´s of KÖLN and NÜRNBERG for the desired date, but according HARNACK / SONNTAG both cruisers maneuvered the same way like LEIPZIG that special day. BTW, flagship of the B.d.A. was NÜRNBERG, not KÖNIGSBERG.

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby Pips » 19 Apr 2017 01:37

Was the Polish campaign the only action that involved the old battleships?

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby igorr » 19 Apr 2017 03:03

For SCHLESIEN seconed was 1945 against USSR.

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby CNE503 » 19 Apr 2017 19:56

Excellent! So, the light cruisers "Königsberg", "Köln", "Leipzig" and "Nürnberg" weren't scheduled to support "Weiss". Instead, they were planned to act against the British naval threat in the North Sea laying minefields, is that correct?

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby crolick » 23 Apr 2017 13:38

Light cruiser (KÖLN, LEIPZIG and NÜRNBERG) were supposed to provide the far screen for the blockade of the Polish coast.

I think they were detached to west on August 30th after confirmation was received that GROM & BŁYSKAWICA sailed west.


Hope that helps!

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Re: Linienschiff "Schlesien"

Postby CNE503 » 14 May 2017 12:08

Another question concerning the battleship "Schlesien": was she subordinated to the Befehlshaber der Panzerschiffe like her sister-ship "Schleswig-Holstein", or did she belong to another command (a training one like the Inspektion des Bildungswesens der Marine?)?

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