Z-Plan details

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Z-Plan details

Post by JohnWinston » 15 Feb 2007 18:27

Hello everyone: Has anyone tried to sit down and actually put each ship in the Z-plan into a slip of a shipyard to see if it works? I cannot find the dates of when ships were to be laid down (estimated I know) and the building capacities of each shipyard. Can anyone help me with this? I don't think the numbers add up. Al

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Post by LWD » 15 Feb 2007 18:50

I have heard that some of the latter BB designs would require a significant amount of dredging to even get in and out of German harbors. I suspect to get a good answer will depend on the time frame of the plan? IE my impression is that the Z-plan was modified as time went on I could be wrong in this but I'm sure someone will correct me if I am.

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Post by Andy H » 15 Feb 2007 23:15

For the larger proposed designs, new and larger graving docks were to be built.

This thread and the links within may offer you some help

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=92458080

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Post by himmelhund » 16 Feb 2007 18:53

Hi John,

Battleship 'H' should have been build at Blohm & Voss Hbg Build Nr 525. Order was given on 14/4/39 Kiel was laid on 15/7/39 building was halted on 30/9/39 .About 800 t of material was used another 3500 t was in production for use , 5800 t of material was delivered about 19.000 t was ordered. The ship was broken up on 25/11/41 . It should have taken 4,5 to 5 years to build ship 'H'. Building price 240.500 Reichs Mark

Battleship 'J' should have been build at Deschimag Bremen Build Nr 981. Order was given on 14/4/39 , Kiel was laid on 1/9/39 building was halted 30/9/39. About 3500 t was in production for use , 6500 t was delivered , 25.800 t of material was ordered. The hull was broken up on 25/11/41 Building price 237.000 Reichs Mark

Battleship 'K' should have been build at Deutsche Werke Kiel Build Nr 264. Order was given 25/5/39 In sumer of 1939 the build was cancelled

Battleship 'L' should have been build at Wilhelmshaven Build Nr 130 No further data

Battleship 'M' should have been build at Blohm & Voss Hbg Build Nr 526 . Order was given 7/39 , cancelled on 10/10/39

Battleship 'N' should have been build at Deschimeg Bremen , Build Nr 982 .Order was given in Summer 1939 , cancelled 10/10/39

All these ship were 277,8 m long 37 m wide , draught 11,2 m

Names : Battleship 'H' Friedrich der Grosse , Battleship 'J' Grossdeutschland

This is all I could find ( from Die deutschen Kriegsschiffe 1815-1945 by Erich Gröner)

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Himmelhund

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Post by 73north » 27 Sep 2007 19:26

The Z was for Ziel ( Target ) Plan

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Post by Panzer_Lehr » 01 Oct 2007 11:21

Raeders book My life gives a great info on the subject of the Z-plan, which may help you answer this question, it lists the ideas of the plan and when it should have had enough ships to wage a war at sea

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Re: Z-Plan details

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 26 Oct 2010 00:47

'Z-plan' battleship yards:
1) Wilhelmshaven Build Nr 130
2) Deutsche Werke Kiel Build Nr 264
3) Blohm and Voss Hbg Build Nr 525
4) Blohm and Voss Hbg Build Nr 526
5) Deschimag Bremen Build Nr 981
6) Deschimag Bremen Build Nr 982

The above was the summary from himmelhund post: Thanks!
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Re: Z-Plan details

Post by mescal » 26 Oct 2010 12:00

Why do you bump a 3 years old thread just to copy info in the post by himmelhund above ??
(and without quoting him - or your source if it's not his post)

A question I have about those slips earmarked for those BBs is : were they existing by 1939 or should they have been built before the ships were laid down ? (well, for battleships from K onwards, as H&J were actually laid down)
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Re: German Target Plan?

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 21 Nov 2010 07:55

73north wrote:The Z was for Ziel ( Target ) Plan
You mean? It was only a Paper Study?

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Re: Z-Plan details

Post by Takao » 21 Nov 2010 16:16

Mescal,

Battleship K had a couple thousand tons, IIRC 2,980 tons, of material delivered to the shipyard prior to her expected keel laying. So, I think we can consider that one a "go".

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518,000 tons

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 20 Feb 2011 04:06

If completed, the KM should construct a 'Taranto-type' and 'Pearl Harbor-type' naval bases for this Z-plan ships. Hitler can still manage this shipbuilding program thru massive Nazi propaganda by 1947, that the war can still be won by 1945.

The 1941 Program:
---2 x 23,000-ton aircraft carriers...46,000 tons

The 1943 Program:
---4 x 10,000-ton heavy cruisers...40,000 tons
---128 x 750-ton submarines...96,000 tons

The 1944 Program:
---6 x 56,000-ton battleships...336,000 tons

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