Bismack attacing convys

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Bismack attacing convys

Post by Madsen » 01 Jan 2003 18:17

there is a discussion about Bismarck going on.
what i wounder is what the outcome of a battle between Bismarck and Prinze Eugen and an convoy escort. not all are of the same guts like Onslow the famous Polish Destroyer.
so if Bismarck and PE had slipped away and started to hunt down convoys how much damage could they do? very much i'm afraid

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Post by sopas » 01 Jan 2003 18:27

Please check the following article and read about some hypothetical scenarios had Bismarck.....

http://www.kbismarck.com/hypothetical.html

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Post by Galahad » 02 Jan 2003 09:35

That's one of the questions only the gods of war can answer.

First, even if Bismarck HAD been operationally capable of continuing the mission after fighting Hood and PoW, she wouldn't have been accompanied by Prinz Eugen. Regardless of what happened in that fight, PE would still have had the turbine problems that caused her to leave Bismarck and return to port.

So Bismarck goes it alone; what then? Good question. If she runs into a convoy without a capital ship escort, she might rape and pillage it. On the other hand, if she found one with several destroyers, she might have wound up getting torpedoed, like happened when Scharnhorst and Gneisenau sank the Glorious. Then it's back to port again.

And if she found one accompanied by an old battleship? The odds are that she could have sunk any of the ones being used as an escort. But that doesn't mean she would come out of it without a scratch.....battleships, even R class BB's, are not battle cruisers, and they'd take some pounding to sink. And they just might get a hit or two of their own in--the British 15" gun was a superb weapon. Depending on what got hit, it could easily be back-to-port time.

If the escort was Rodney or Nelson.....well, regardless of whether it was sunk or not, it had the capability of doing serious damage--actually ANY battleship Bismarck might meet had that capability. Remember that in the final action, Rodney knocked out both of Bismarck's forward turrets with one long range 3 shell salvo, and her main director with another hit. Bismarck might come out of the action a cripple. Then it's hi ho back to port--at whatever speed she's capable of making.

And there's another factor to consider.....Bismarck's turbines might have problems which would cause HER to return to port. For some reason, though they had experience through building the turbine-powered express liners Bremen and Europa, German high pressure naval turbines were prone to getting sick fairly frequently under heavy use. As I recall, the Hippers, and Scharnhorst and Gniesenau, all had problems at one time or another. Bismarck could have too.

And in any of the above scenarios, the British would be keeping a close eye on the approaches, either to Brest, or to Germany.

Simply assuming an undamaged Bismarck doesn't automatically mean she would wreak havoc amongst the shipping lanes. It only means she has the POTENTIAL to do that.

Whether or not she actually did would rest in the fickle hands of Fate.

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Post by Madsen » 02 Jan 2003 16:01

hi Galahad.
I was thinkin more of a situation were Bismarck and Prinz Eugen got away witout damage. and were able to do their job.
it's getting cloose to a What if Question but i wonder how bad it would have gone if B and P in good shape came over a convoy without a large escort in the middle of the atlantic, perhaps guided to it by U-boats.
From what i read of convoys the had good escort against U- Boats but
not that good against battleships.
but as you say. only God know the answer to that

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