Id. warship

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Re: Id. warship

Post by David Reasoner » 07 Jan 2010 05:57

Sturm, I don't have a great deal of information myself. The German thread that I posted the link to refers in turn to another link belonging to a company which produces a paper model of the vessel:

http://www.kmw2-modellbau.de/flusi1.html

I will provide my edited version of a machine translation of the information from that site (I am not fluent in German, either :( ):

"Krischan the Grosse was built in Rotterdam in 1940-41. The idea was to create a simple small vessel, which with its strong anti-aircraft guns could control the air space in the canals and along the Dutch / French coast. However, trials revealed some problems in the design and construction of the originally planned 100 copies were never started!
One point was that the main weapons only had two axes of movement, which is also normal for land weapons, stabilization at sea, however, is complicated. Furthermore, they had no way to slow the engines! Thus mooring was carried out at high speed, which obviously was extremely complicated and dangerous!

The armament consists of two 88mm Flak 18, a 37mm Flak, and a 20mm Vierlingsflak, as well as several depth charges."

I'm not sure I have interpreted the bit about the engines correctly, as it does sound quite odd.

Basic data was as follows:

Length: 38.50 m
Beam: 5.90 m
Draft: 1.50 m.
Displacement: about 300 tons
Maximum Speed: 18knots

According to the forum posts, the vessel used BMW B4 petrol engines with 87 octane aviation fuel, in contrast to C3 with 100 octane (?). The posts also say that details and technical data for Krischan the Grosse (Flusi 1) and the slightly different design Flusi 2 of 1942 can be found in:

GRÖNER Erich, German Warships 1815-1945, Volume 7, Page 213

There appears to be some uncertainty about the fate of Krischan the Grosse, which appears to have been destroyed on 24.2.1944 in / near Bergen op Zee by air attack with 11 dead.

If anyone else can improve upon or correct the above information, please do so.

David

Edit: I forgot to mention I had previously encountered mention of the vessel on a Russian website, of which I have unfortunately lost the URL. The Russian site mentioned that the aft 88mm originally fitted was later replaced by a second 20mm Flakvierling, as shown in your photos.

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Re: Id. warship

Post by Sturm78 » 07 Jan 2010 10:24

Thank you very much for your help, again, David. :D

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Re: Id. warship

Post by tod » 07 Jan 2010 13:46

Another source in english on the specs of "Krischan der Grosse". Nothing much text-wise...
/tod

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Re: Id. warship

Post by David Reasoner » 08 Jan 2010 04:28

tod wrote:Another source in english on the specs of "Krischan der Grosse". Nothing much text-wise...
Thanks Tod! That would appear to be the Russian website I had seen a few years ago, but with much of the content translated into English. The general format and drawings look identical to the Russian language version I remember.

David

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Re: Id. warship

Post by Sturm78 » 11 Jan 2010 13:33

Hi all,

Can anyone identify these warships?

Image 1: I think K-Class german light cruiser
Image 2: I think perhaps a pocket german battleship.

Images from Ebay.
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Re: Id. warship

Post by AVV » 11 Jan 2010 21:31

Good evening!
Sturm78 wrote:Image 2: I think perhaps a pocket german battleship.
Admiral Scheer, IMHO (look at the form of the forward mast)... Or Lutzow... In any case, not Spee... :)

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Re: Id. warship

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Jan 2010 11:23

Thank you, Aleks.

Another boat for Id.: river warship

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Re: Id. warship

Post by bechelaren » 19 Jan 2010 22:39

Sturm78 wrote:Thank you, Aleks.

Another boat for Id.: river warship

Image from Ebay
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Hi Sturm,
the German Danube Flotilla operated on the Danube upstream from Iron Gates and on the Sava River. They were co-operating with Hungarian River Guard. The co-operation with Hungarians was very close and Hungarian river fleet followed Germans in Austria and surrended in Linz in May 1945.
The sailors on the photo are in my opinion in Hungarian uniforms. Hungarian River Guard operated - apart from PM armoured gunboats and PAM armoured minelayers - some big motor boats . I believe tt boat on the photo is one of eight
motor boats Jolan, Juliska,Gizi,Sári,Vera, Sólyom,Emma , Erszi but I never saw any photo of them.
The Do-Flo Chef on the picture ist most probably KK Seifert

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Re: Id. warship

Post by Sturm78 » 20 Jan 2010 19:09

Thank very much for your information, bechelaren

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Re: Id. warship

Post by Sturm78 » 25 Apr 2010 17:09

Hi all,

Can anybody help to me with this german warship?

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Re: Id. warship

Post by hucks216 » 25 Apr 2010 18:05

Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,

Can anybody help to me with this german warship?

Image from Ebay
Regards Sturm78
Which one as there are 2 alongside each other with the outboard ships stern alongside the inboard ships bow? The tall inclined funnel belongs to the outboard ship.

I'm wondering if the inboard one is the Adolf Luderitz?? See... http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ ... index.html

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Re: Id. warship

Post by AVV » 25 Apr 2010 18:46

Greetings!
hucks216 wrote:I'm wondering if the inboard one is the Adolf Luderitz?
Well, the outboard ship is, almost without doubt, minelayer Kaiser - she had quite a specific form of stern.

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Re: Id. warship

Post by Sturm78 » 26 Apr 2010 10:45

Thank you very much for your help, hucks216 and Aleks. :D

I was referring to the inboard ship. :wink:

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Re: Id. warship

Post by Sturm78 » 04 May 2010 10:30

Hi all,

I found on Ebay this nice image of a Minenräumboot (I guess):

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Re: Id. warship

Post by Sturm78 » 05 May 2010 20:15

Hi all,

Can anybody identify this submarine?

Image from Ebay
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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