Building H-class Battleships

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by Takao » 16 Nov 2010 04:03

You could also say the same thing about aircraft carriers...

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Old-fashioned Batteship Design:

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 16 Nov 2010 05:44

nebelwerferXXX wrote:Battleship Design:
1) Greater speeds were achieved through machinery improvements.
2) Dual-purpose surface AA armament was developed.
3) Facilities for handling and maintaining reconnaissance aircraft.
4) With built-in hangars and catapults were included.
5) Radar-assisted fire control was implemented.
'...Another old-fashioned feature was the division of the light armament into anti-surface and anti-aircraft, at the time when other battleships were provided with dual-purpose guns to save weight...'

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by Ironmachine » 16 Nov 2010 08:00

Are not 3) and 4) one and the same point?

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 16 Nov 2010 08:40

Ironmachine wrote:Are not 3) and 4) one and the same point?
Yes, my pleasure to be corrected. Thanks!

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Re: 1.443-billion RM

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 21 Nov 2010 12:49

Investing the money saved in Six H-Class battleships amounting to 1.443-billion RM, more tanks and weapons and a lot changes. With more tanks and SP guns for the Panzer and the Anti-tank Gun Problems make a big difference in the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk.
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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by Takao » 21 Nov 2010 16:12

Except the Z-Plan had already been ditched shortly after the start of the war. So, the money saved in the H-Class battleships has already been spent. Considering, the majority of the H-Class battleships were never laid down and had little, if any, any pre-production build-up of materials, your "Idea" that all that tonnage can be spent on other things is blatantly FALSE!

As has been said before; Battleship H had 5.800 tons of material delivered, Battleship J had 3,531 tons of material delivered, and Battleship K had 2,980 tons delivered. Giving you 12,311 tons of material delivered for the H-Class battleships.

nebelwerferXXX, you really should stop and think before about what you posting...

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Re: Naval Architecture

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 21 Nov 2010 23:36

Aircraft carrier, Battleship and Cruiser Designs:
1) Greater speeds were achieved through machinery improvements.
2) Dual-purpose surface AA armament was developed.
3) Facilities for handling and maintaining reconnaissance aircraft with built-in hangars and catapults were included.
4) Radar-assisted fire control was implemented.
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Re: FALSE and more than 12,300 tons

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 22 Nov 2010 05:17

Takao wrote:Except the Z-Plan had already been ditched shortly after the start of the war. So, the money saved in the H-Class battleships has already been spent. Considering, the majority of the H-Class battleships were never laid down and had little, if any, any pre-production build-up of materials, your "Idea" that all that tonnage can be spent on other things is blatantly FALSE!

As has been said before; Battleship H had 5.800 tons of material delivered, Battleship J had 3,531 tons of material delivered, and Battleship K had 2,980 tons delivered. Giving you 12,311 tons of material delivered for the H-Class battleships.

nebelwerferXXX, you really should stop and think before about what you posting...
Sorry Sir!

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 27 Nov 2010 13:43

nebelwerferXXX wrote:
nebelwerferXXX wrote:21 H-Class battleships = RM 5,050,500,000, enough to build 878 Type XXI U-boats.
A Research Study: H-Class battleships
6 ships...1945
2 ships...1946
3 ships...1947
2 ships...1948
3 ships...1949
1 ship....1950
4 ships...1951
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Total: 21 ships (1,176,000 tons)

Only a dream and never started
'Z-plan'...The RM 5,050,500,000, would also be 25 Bismarck-Class battleships, 21 Type XXI submarines, 67,000 rifles and 80 heavy machine guns for the German Navy. They can be organized into 12 surface action groups and one U-boat wolf-pack. This post is only a conversion estimate. Posting numbers is my forte, so forgive me.

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by Takao » 27 Nov 2010 14:48

What do this have to do with anything historically concerning the H-Class battleships, especially since the Germans only intended to build 6 H-Class battleships?

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 27 Nov 2010 23:15

Takao wrote:What do this have to do with anything historically concerning the H-Class battleships, especially since the Germans only intended to build 6 H-Class battleships?
On page 1, read the first post of eadweard dated 05 May 2009 about the H-Class battleships...etc. etc.

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by Andy H » 29 Nov 2010 15:22

nebelwerferXXX wrote:
nebelwerferXXX wrote:
nebelwerferXXX wrote:21 H-Class battleships = RM 5,050,500,000, enough to build 878 Type XXI U-boats.
A Research Study: H-Class battleships
6 ships...1945
2 ships...1946
3 ships...1947
2 ships...1948
3 ships...1949
1 ship....1950
4 ships...1951
______________
Total: 21 ships (1,176,000 tons)

Only a dream and never started
'Z-plan'...The RM 5,050,500,000, would also be 25 Bismarck-Class battleships, 21 Type XXI submarines, 67,000 rifles and 80 heavy machine guns for the German Navy. They can be organized into 12 surface action groups and one U-boat wolf-pack. This post is only a conversion estimate. Posting numbers is my forte, so forgive me.
Posting numbers or lists maybe your forte but without context they are just that-lists of numbers. They have no relation to anything without an explanation of how and why you reached your numbers or lists!

Please try and add some relative narrative to your posts.

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by nebelwerferXXX » 02 Dec 2010 12:50

Hello! To make a sentence construction of the computed summary, and it begins with the 'Z-plan' battleship program and called for the first 6 H-Class battleships to be completed by 1945. The Naval High Command have calculated and made a research study that after the completion of the first 6 battleships, they made a conclusion that there was a possibility to add 15 more H-Class battleships starting from 1946 and ending in 1951.

In my previous post, I made a tabulation of battleship building by year and came to a total tonnage of 1,176,000 tons and costing about RM 5,050,500,000. Since these 21 ships were not feasible to construct, I made a conversion estimate by sub-dividing the total cost from the RM 5,050,500,000 by getting the unit costs of the following:

RM 197-million for Bismarck-Class battleships
RM 5,750,000 for Type XXI submarines
RM 70 for rifles and
RM 737 for the heavy machine guns

And came to a computed final figures of 25 Bismarck-Class battleships, 21 Type XXI submarines, 67,000 rifles and 80 heavy machine guns.

I also found out and made a decision that, it was easier to make a calculation from the total cost per unit than the total standard tonnage in making a conversion estimate. That was my experience in making those listings. Thanks!

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by Andy H » 02 Dec 2010 13:02

Thank you

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Re: Building H-class Battleships

Post by Ironmachine » 02 Dec 2010 17:56

nebelwerferXXX wrote:And came to a computed final figures of 25 Bismarck-Class battleships, 21 Type XXI submarines, 67,000 rifles and 80 heavy machine guns.
And what is the special interest of these figures? Why those and not, for example, 24 Bismarck-Class battleships, 55 Type XXI submarines, 70,000 rifles and 1,830 heavy machine-guns? Or any other of the many, equally-correct combinations that can be obtained from the simple calculations that you made?

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