Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
Does anyone know the details of the armament of these two ships after their refit in the mid or late 1920s?
What sort of medium cal guns were fitted and what AA guns?
TIA
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What sort of medium cal guns were fitted and what AA guns?
TIA
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Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
According to Erich Groener, the armament was as follows:
4 x 28cm SK L/40
14 x 17cm SK L/40 (reduced to 12 in 1931, 10 in 1935-37, and none in 1939)
4 x 8.8cm Flak L/45 (only 2 in Schlesien, removed in 1937)
6 x 10.5cm L/45 SK C/32 (from 1937)
4 x 3.7cm L/83 SK C/30 (from 1936, replaced by 10 x 4cm Bofors in 1944)
at least 4 x 2cm AA (from 1936, increased to 22 by 1944)
David
4 x 28cm SK L/40
14 x 17cm SK L/40 (reduced to 12 in 1931, 10 in 1935-37, and none in 1939)
4 x 8.8cm Flak L/45 (only 2 in Schlesien, removed in 1937)
6 x 10.5cm L/45 SK C/32 (from 1937)
4 x 3.7cm L/83 SK C/30 (from 1936, replaced by 10 x 4cm Bofors in 1944)
at least 4 x 2cm AA (from 1936, increased to 22 by 1944)
David
Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
weren't all the 17 cm guns replaced by 15cm guns during the modernization of Deutschland class battleships in the early 1920s?David Reasoner wrote:According to Erich Groener, the armament was as follows:
4 x 28cm SK L/40
14 x 17cm SK L/40 (reduced to 12 in 1931, 10 in 1935-37, and none in 1939)
4 x 8.8cm Flak L/45 (only 2 in Schlesien, removed in 1937)
6 x 10.5cm L/45 SK C/32 (from 1937)
4 x 3.7cm L/83 SK C/30 (from 1936, replaced by 10 x 4cm Bofors in 1944)
at least 4 x 2cm AA (from 1936, increased to 22 by 1944)
David
Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
You are right in that assumption.Windward wrote:weren't all the 17 cm guns replaced by 15cm guns during the modernization of Deutschland class battleships in the early 1920s?David Reasoner wrote:According to Erich Groener, the armament was as follows:
4 x 28cm SK L/40
14 x 17cm SK L/40 (reduced to 12 in 1931, 10 in 1935-37, and none in 1939)
4 x 8.8cm Flak L/45 (only 2 in Schlesien, removed in 1937)
6 x 10.5cm L/45 SK C/32 (from 1937)
4 x 3.7cm L/83 SK C/30 (from 1936, replaced by 10 x 4cm Bofors in 1944)
at least 4 x 2cm AA (from 1936, increased to 22 by 1944)
David
When Schleswig-Holstein was in major maintenance in 1925 fourteen 15 cm SKL/45 in MPLC/1913 was installed. The same was done with Schlesien in 1926. In 1930/1931 two of the four guns on the Oberdeck was removed on both ships. The two remaining Oberdeck guns were removed in 1935-36, leaving the 10 guns on the Kasemattendeck in place. Late in 1940 the remaining 15 cm guns were removed from both ships.
JEF
Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
Hello,
a small supplement. The Groener has already got a long beard
Schlesien: dockyard period ended in mid January 1945. In addition to overhauling the machinery were made the following changes wordenÖ
1. st Instalation an MES system
2.nd nstalling 2 radars of type "FuMo25"
3. rd replacement of the 28-cm guns. Range: 27.75 km
4th Changes in anti-aircraft armament:
a) 4 x 10.5 - cm QF L/45 C/32
b) 7 x 4 - inch anti-aircraft Bofors 28, each of them land on the 28-cm gun-towers
c) 18 x 2 - inch anti-aircraft guns
Source: Wolfgang Mueller - Broschürreihe on German history - No. 17 - Cadet training ship "Schlesien" - wreck salvage. http://www.sundwerbung.de/leseproben9.htm
I`ve got on 8th.08.2010
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Schlesien : Werftliegezeit endete Mitte Januar 1945. Neben Ueberholung der Maschinenanlagen waren folgende Veränderungen vorgenommen wordenÖ
1. Instalation eine MES-Anlage
2.Montage von 2 Funkmeßanlagen von Typ "FuMo25"
3. Neuberohrung der 28-cm-Geschütze. Reichweite: 27,75 km
4. Veränderung der Flak-Bewaffnung:
a) 4 x 10,5 - cm SK L/45 C/32
b) 7 x 4 - cm Flak Bofors 28, davon je eien Waffe auf den 28-cm-Türmen
c) 18 x 2 - cm-Flak
Quelle: Wolfgang Müller - Broschürreihe zur deutschen Geschichte - Nr. 17. - Kadettenschulschiff "Schlesien" - Wrackbergung. http://www.sundwerbung.de/leseproben9.htm
a small supplement. The Groener has already got a long beard
Schlesien: dockyard period ended in mid January 1945. In addition to overhauling the machinery were made the following changes wordenÖ
1. st Instalation an MES system
2.nd nstalling 2 radars of type "FuMo25"
3. rd replacement of the 28-cm guns. Range: 27.75 km
4th Changes in anti-aircraft armament:
a) 4 x 10.5 - cm QF L/45 C/32
b) 7 x 4 - inch anti-aircraft Bofors 28, each of them land on the 28-cm gun-towers
c) 18 x 2 - inch anti-aircraft guns
Source: Wolfgang Mueller - Broschürreihe on German history - No. 17 - Cadet training ship "Schlesien" - wreck salvage. http://www.sundwerbung.de/leseproben9.htm
I`ve got on 8th.08.2010
GER
Schlesien : Werftliegezeit endete Mitte Januar 1945. Neben Ueberholung der Maschinenanlagen waren folgende Veränderungen vorgenommen wordenÖ
1. Instalation eine MES-Anlage
2.Montage von 2 Funkmeßanlagen von Typ "FuMo25"
3. Neuberohrung der 28-cm-Geschütze. Reichweite: 27,75 km
4. Veränderung der Flak-Bewaffnung:
a) 4 x 10,5 - cm SK L/45 C/32
b) 7 x 4 - cm Flak Bofors 28, davon je eien Waffe auf den 28-cm-Türmen
c) 18 x 2 - cm-Flak
Quelle: Wolfgang Müller - Broschürreihe zur deutschen Geschichte - Nr. 17. - Kadettenschulschiff "Schlesien" - Wrackbergung. http://www.sundwerbung.de/leseproben9.htm
Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
Hello Mischa!
Are there any Fotos in this Magazine
"Source: Wolfgang Mueller - Broschürreihe on German history - No. 17 - Cadet training ship "Schlesien" - wreck salvage"
showing some pictures or positions of the wreck laying off Swinemünde?
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Are there any Fotos in this Magazine
"Source: Wolfgang Mueller - Broschürreihe on German history - No. 17 - Cadet training ship "Schlesien" - wreck salvage"
showing some pictures or positions of the wreck laying off Swinemünde?
Thanks in advance
Cheers
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Reason: Swinemünde - not Swimemuende
Reason: Swinemünde - not Swimemuende
Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
Hallo Freund, sicher, dazu noch hier:sneaker wrote:Hello Mischa!
Are there any Fotos in this Magazine
"Source: Wolfgang Mueller - Broschürreihe on German history - No. 17 - Cadet training ship "Schlesien" - wreck salvage"
showing some pictures or positions of the wreck laying off Swinemünde?
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Ich bin ein Deutsch - Pole aus Oberschlesien, bei Bedarf ersuche kontakt an: [email protected]
Gruß Micha
ENG: Hello friend, sure it is in the both sources.see the covers, they are very good, indeed! It was written by Ossies. I am a German - Polish from Upper Silesia, if necessary, ask to contact: [email protected]
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Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
I have a film Cruise 1938 0 1939 SCHLESSIEN reaching the shores of Patagonia Argentina. You can see Admiral Canaris and the Commander drop ship, civilians visiting the ship and then a reception at the German sailors in Estancia Argentina owned by Mr. Mauricio Braun.
BRAUN and CANARIS knew from the 1st World War when he (CANARIS-POW) was imprisoned in CHILE and ARGENTINA escaped through the Cordillera. BRAUN helped him back to Germany.
The arrival of Admiral Canaris in 1939 was to execute "Etappendienst" the service of the 3rd Reich. Throughout the war German settlers helped some Yugoslavs and Argentines helping with supplies for Kriegsmarine U-Booot and the Graff Spee Argentina across the Atlantic Ocean coast. The Graff Spee was sunk that year, like ship Argentine supply USUKUMA that was waiting.
BRAUN and CANARIS knew from the 1st World War when he (CANARIS-POW) was imprisoned in CHILE and ARGENTINA escaped through the Cordillera. BRAUN helped him back to Germany.
The arrival of Admiral Canaris in 1939 was to execute "Etappendienst" the service of the 3rd Reich. Throughout the war German settlers helped some Yugoslavs and Argentines helping with supplies for Kriegsmarine U-Booot and the Graff Spee Argentina across the Atlantic Ocean coast. The Graff Spee was sunk that year, like ship Argentine supply USUKUMA that was waiting.
Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
Hello to all ; a little complement: The 28 cm SK L/40 in the "Schleswig-Holstein"
This naval gun was the last weapon system in service aboard the German pre-dreadnought of the ancient Deutschland-Class (Schleswig-Holstein and Schlesien) battleships. It was the first weapon system to use a horizontal sliding-wedge breech instead of the interrupted screw (much more common in the big guns of this size). Therefore it needed to carry all the propellant charge in a brass case, which in turn helped to seal the breech.
The gun was mounted on a twin turret Drh.L. C/01 (fore and aft) with an elevation of 30º and a depression of 4º and a traverse movement of 150º to each band. The ammunition capacity was 85 rounds per gun and its fire rate was 2 shots per minute.
Source: German Battleships 1914-18 (1): Deutschland, Nassau and Helgoland classes. Gary Staff
http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,19 ... age,E.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_cm_SK_L/40_gun
Cheers. Raúl M .
This naval gun was the last weapon system in service aboard the German pre-dreadnought of the ancient Deutschland-Class (Schleswig-Holstein and Schlesien) battleships. It was the first weapon system to use a horizontal sliding-wedge breech instead of the interrupted screw (much more common in the big guns of this size). Therefore it needed to carry all the propellant charge in a brass case, which in turn helped to seal the breech.
The gun was mounted on a twin turret Drh.L. C/01 (fore and aft) with an elevation of 30º and a depression of 4º and a traverse movement of 150º to each band. The ammunition capacity was 85 rounds per gun and its fire rate was 2 shots per minute.
Source: German Battleships 1914-18 (1): Deutschland, Nassau and Helgoland classes. Gary Staff
http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,19 ... age,E.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_cm_SK_L/40_gun
Cheers. Raúl M .
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Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
Hello to all ; more: The 28 cm SK L/40 in the "Schleswig-Holstein"
Source: http://www.muzeum1939.pl/en/press/galle ... 719cf14bf2
http://infogdansk.pl/gdansk-1939/
Cheers. Raúl M .
Source: http://www.muzeum1939.pl/en/press/galle ... 719cf14bf2
http://infogdansk.pl/gdansk-1939/
Cheers. Raúl M .
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Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
I ask, were the SCHLESSIEN and SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN Cruises twins? There is a video about a German cruise arriving in Patagonia Argentina in 1939 several months before the war. It is said to be SCHLESSIEN. It is even mentioned that in it came the Kapitan CANARIS being already Chief of the Abwher.
Possibly the Kapitan CANARIS came with the mission to put into operation the "ettapendinst on the Patagonian coasts.
Possibly the Kapitan CANARIS came with the mission to put into operation the "ettapendinst on the Patagonian coasts.
Re: Armamanent of Schlesien & Schleswig-Holstein after 1920
Hello to all ; more: The 28 cm SK L/40 in the "Schleswig-Holstein"
Source: http://gdansk.fotopolska.eu/foto/895/89 ... 1464995666
Cheers. Raúl M .
Source: http://gdansk.fotopolska.eu/foto/895/89 ... 1464995666
Cheers. Raúl M .
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