Torpedoes

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by ROLAND1369 » 29 Nov 2016 00:53

From the camo scheme I would say either 1 German, 2 Italian, or 3 Sweden. I have seen the paint scheme of the practice warheads used on german aerial torpedos. I would say based one the camo we can rule out the US.

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Natter » 02 Dec 2016 08:15

Sturm78 wrote:Any idea about these torpedoes ??
German G7a(TI) torpedoes with (older) type 1210 exersice heads (there's no such thing as a practice warhead...). Most likely a transport, not recovery, due to the high number of torpedoes.

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by ROLAND1369 » 02 Dec 2016 16:35

In US military terms we call them practice warheads, since i usually write in English that was the term I used. The number of torpedos does not preclude or confirm a torpedo recovery vessle they recover more than one at a time. If in transport why are they not protected from the weather. Contrary to popular belief torpedos are relativly delicate ordnance. During shipping they are usually covered by tarps and heavily greased.

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Sturm78 » 02 Dec 2016 17:18

Natter wrote
German G7a(TI) torpedoes with (older) type 1210 exersice heads (there's no such thing as a practice warhead...). Most likely a transport, not recovery, due to the high number of torpedoes.
Thank you fo your help, Natter
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From the camo scheme I would say either 1 German, 2 Italian, or 3 Sweden. I have seen the paint scheme of the practice warheads used on german aerial torpedos. I would say based one the camo we can rule out the US.
Thank you for your answer, ROLAND1369

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Natter » 02 Dec 2016 17:53

ROLAND1369 wrote:In US military terms we call them practice warheads, since i usually write in English that was the term I used.
Obviously, I'm not familiar with US Navy terms, so that's noted (although most english litterature I have on the subject - both UK and US - uses the term "exersicehead"). Anyway, as we're dealing with german WW2 torpedoes, the correct term would be "Übungskopf" (versus "Gefechtskopf").
ROLAND1369 wrote:The number of torpedos does not preclude or confirm a torpedo recovery vessle they recover more than one at a time.
Yes, in theory (hence my use of "most likely").
The high number of torpedoes would indicate a massive exersice with many ships though, or range-activity (the latter would certainly not utilize such a large vessel - most german recoveryvessels were in fact smaller boats. Also, larger surfacevessels usually did theyr own recovery).
ROLAND1369 wrote:If in transport why are they not protected from the weather. Contrary to popular belief torpedos are relativly delicate ordnance. During shipping they are usually covered by tarps and heavily greased.
Well, it's obvious from the photo (ie the background, the empty top rack and lack of lashings), that the ship is docked and in the process of being loaded/unloaded...

Wether the torpedoes have recently been used for an exersice is hard to tell from the photo (although they haven't been launched from a surface tube for sure, as they are too clean).
I can't see any signs of either "Hängewarze" (use from surfacevessel) or "Haltebolzenwiderlager" (use from submarine) being fitted to the torpedoes, which also is an indicator for this being torpedoes under transport (for example as part of a normal maintenance-rotation between torpedoarsenals/-kommandos).

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Dec 2016 12:50

Hi all,

An image from Ebay.

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Natter » 28 Dec 2016 13:24

Sturm78 wrote:An image from Ebay.
Outside my main area of interest/knowledge (which is german torpedoes), but I'm pretty sure it's british - probably a Mk VIII.

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Sturm78 » 28 Dec 2016 20:32

Natter wrote
Outside my main area of interest/knowledge (which is german torpedoes), but I'm pretty sure it's british - probably a Mk VIII.
Thank you, Natter :wink:

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Apr 2017 21:20

Hi all,

An image from Ebay

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Natter » 08 Apr 2017 12:15

A G7a(TI) fired from a Drilling- or Vierlingrohrsatz on a german surface vessel.
Hard to tell for sure, but the exersicehead could be an early type 1210. The torpedo has been equipped with a modified depth-mechanism though (ie post "Torpedokrise"), so the photo is probably taken after 1941.

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Apr 2017 09:24

Thanks,for your information, Natter

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Nov 2017 17:48

Hi all,

An image from Ebay. Any idea about the torpedo ??

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Natter » 18 Nov 2017 18:14

Sturm78 wrote:An image from Ebay. Any idea about the torpedo ??
Another german G7a(TI). It has 4-blade propellers, ie an early variant, but again with the improved depth-mechanism TA II ("Tiefen-apparat II").

No sign of a "hängewarze" for surfacetubes, but I think I can barely see the top of a "haltebolzenwiderlager" for submarinetubes.
Being fitted with a warhead and having a very "clean" exterior, it seems it's being loaded on to a submarine.

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Nov 2017 19:45

Thanks a lot for your answer, Natter... :wink:

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Re: Torpedoes

Post by Sturm78 » 26 Feb 2018 20:34

Hi all,

An image from Ebay:

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