Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

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Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by CNE503 » 15 Feb 2019 20:39

Hello,

Does anyone know how many boats and sailors/men were deployed by the Kriegsmarine in Romania just prior to "Barbarossa"?
As far as I know, the main German navy asset in the country was the Marine-Küsten-Batterie "Tirpitz" with its three 28cm SK L/45 guns, near Constanza. But were there any boats (in particular riverine ones for the Donau flottilla?)? And how many men did they count?

Thank you for any help provided.
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Re: Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by bertamingo » 22 Feb 2019 03:12

There are some older threads dealing with the topic, so you might want to use the forum search function with key words 'black sea' etc. If memory serves, in June 1941 the Donauflottille was in Romania, which had a variety of vessels in its ranks, including the FR-class and FHR-class river minesweepers, the ex-Czechoslovak river monitor, security motorboats, auxiliary river minesweepers/minelayers converted from civilian vessels and many small naval auxiliaries. Besides, some tankers from both Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe were probably bustling in Romanian Danube to carry oil back to Germany.

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Re: Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by CNE503 » 22 Feb 2019 17:03

Hello,

I probably searched poorly, but I didn't find anything relevant - in a detailed manner at least.
Do you have an OoB for the Donauflottille? Except the Marine-Artillerie-Abteilung 205 that served the Batterie "Tirpitz" and the Marine-Bau-Bataillon 313 that built it, I don't have any idea about the German navy layout in Romania in the first semester of 1941.

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Re: Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by bertamingo » 23 Feb 2019 12:50

Hello CNE503,

Most German naval forces in Romania was deployed or established after the first half of 1941. In the first half, the Donauflottille could be the only flotilla there, plus some individual ships like the aforementioned tankers. There was also a German marine command at Konstanza and a German naval mission to Romania. I am saying from memory so could be wrong about any of these.

I don't have the other information that you seek, but I would suggest you ask people at Forum Marinearchiv:
https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/i ... tion=forum

Additionally there are a few books that may contain the information:
https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/i ... 936.0.html

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Re: Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by CNE503 » 24 Feb 2019 14:14

If I understand correctly what I found, there was only a riverine monitor in the Donauflottille in the first half of 1941: the "Bechelaren" (formerly the Czechoslovak "President Masaryk"), and it was not ready to fighting operations in April 1941.
Flussminenleger FM 1 and FM 2, commissionned in April and June 1939, were apparently sent in Romania as of 1940.
Flussräumboote FR 1 to FR 12 were commissionned in 1938 and 1939 and at least some of these boats were sent in Romania in 1940-1941.

Probably the Flusspatrouillenboot "Birago" operated in the Danube river in Romania since 1940.
Otherwise, maybe the Wachschiffe "Alberich" and "Balmung", but I'm not sure.

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Re: Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by bertamingo » 25 Feb 2019 11:10

The information seems precise. Though for the Birago, it was discarded in 10.1939 so wouldn't be in Romania in 1941. One more boat that could possibly be there is the MR7, the sole remaining unit of her class by then.

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Re: Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by CNE503 » 25 Feb 2019 11:36

Hello,

MR7 wasn't commissioned until 1942 if I believe this website: http://www.navypedia.org/ships/germany/ger_mine_mr.htm. It was destroyed on June 6th, 1944.
MR1 to MR4 were "discarded" in 1938 for unknown (to me!) reasons.
Did you refer to another boat?

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Re: Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by bertamingo » 25 Feb 2019 23:43

Yeah I meant this boat, then of course I had it wrong, as I thought MR7 was commissioned with her sisters in one batch lol.

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Re: Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by igorr » 26 Feb 2019 03:10

Soviet Dunay-flottille hold mouth of river til 20.7.41, so german ships and cutters from Donauflottille can't reach Black sea before this date. Then DF works for minesweeping in mouth.

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Re: Kriegsmarine in Romania, June 1941

Post by CNE503 » 26 Feb 2019 15:59

Many thanks to both of you.
Actually, I'm looking for the units that were sent in Romania under the Marinebefehlshaber B then Marinemission in Rumänien, either before its establishment in February 1941 or after prior to "Barbarossa". I know what I needed to know about Küsten-Artillerie-Batterie "Tirpitz", but I need more about the small vessels sent to secure the Danube river.

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