"Moritz-Gerät" / "Moritz-Feuer" / Marine anti-aircraft shooting procedures

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"Moritz-Gerät" / "Moritz-Feuer" / Marine anti-aircraft shooting procedures

Post by niemandsland » 11 Jul 2021 08:33

Hello,

For a few weeks now I have been looking for information on a device that was used in a shooting process by the German Navy ("coastal defense").

Here are some sources:
- BAMA RM 122/229 combat reports from Wilhelmshaven (II Marine Flak Brigade Wilhelmshaven), page 76, ..., ff.

- BAMA RM 122/230 combat reports from Wilhelmshaven (II Marine Flak Brigade Wilhelmshaven), pages 2, 6, 10, ..., etc pp.
There are references to this between spring 1943 and spring / summer 1944.

- " Flak um Emden ", Chronic of the Marine Flak Abteilung 236, by Dietrich Jansen, Emden, 2003. Pages 83, 96, 248, 249, 271.

Does anyone have any further information about the so-called "Moritz Gerät" of the Navy? Was this device in use on ships? I am grateful for any further information.

If someone deals more with the naval flak in coastal defense, I would be very happy to hear from you and talk to you.

Greetings from Hanover / Germany,
Guido Janthor



PS: I asked about the device on two other forums, but without receiving any further information. Therefore, here again a post with reference to this device.

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Re: "Moritz-Gerät" / "Moritz-Feuer" / Marine anti-aircraft shooting procedures

Post by nordfriese » 11 Jul 2021 19:58

Hi Guido!

To me, "Moritz" was a camouflage for the Malsi-device, using the first letter.

Malsi was used when FuMO ("RADAR") and optical-devices were destoryed or simply not working.
In this case, the Malsi-device used informations from other Flak-batteries for shooting.

This fits with the list from "Flak um Emden" you posted. Please see PDF-page 96 in your link.
Either they used FuMO for firing or optical-devices, but once they used "Moritz" (Malsi).
It seems, both were not working...

My opinion...

Best wishes and stay healthy
Rolf

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Re: "Moritz-Gerät" / "Moritz-Feuer" / Marine anti-aircraft shooting procedures

Post by niemandsland » 12 Jul 2021 16:06

nordfriese wrote:
11 Jul 2021 19:58
To me, "Moritz" was a camouflage for the Malsi-device, using the first letter.

Malsi was used when FuMO ("RADAR") and optical-devices were destoryed or simply not working.
In this case, the Malsi-device used informations from other Flak-batteries for shooting.
Hello Rolf,

I don't think that "Moritzfeuer" or "Moritzgerät" is a pseudonym for the "Malsi device". The reason why I think so is that all shooting procedures are listed in the combat reports of the 2nd Marine Flak Brigade (Wilhelmshaven). From "conversion" through optically to the additional devices for radio measuring devices ("Umwertegeräte", "Flak-Rechner", etc.). For this, the person responsible for these reports was corrected and reprimanded several times by higher authorities. So I can't believe that this is another name for the "Malsi device".

I could still imagine this in the war diary, but not when exchanging information with higher command posts, because the typical camouflage names were not used here. (My Opinion!) Anyway, that's what I got from the reports. Here completely different things are revealed, in some cases the transport was "only by an officer" (stamped). For example, it is very clear which devices have failed, what damage (buildings, people, devices, etc.) has occurred, and how you assess how the situation is developing and what ideas you may have to bring about improvements. I haven't found such things in the KTB yet.

Maybe ... I wasn't born at the time. But i don’t think so.

Greetings from Hanover / Germany,
Guido Janthor

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