Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by panzertruppe2001 » 06 Sep 2009 21:12

NASAFAN101 wrote:thanks guys,
i didn't even know that! for the good-bye and good hunmting, i think Ernst sented that to helmuth: dose wany one know wat helmuth sent back to him?
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Who are Ernst and Helmuth? I do not understand

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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Takao » 07 Sep 2009 01:21

Ernst Lindemann, captain of the Bismarck and Helmuth Brinkmann, captain of the Prinz Eugen.

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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by NASAFAN101 » 07 Sep 2009 05:23

Guys,
Sorry most of my friend know who im talking about and when im on here, but many of you know me, so i have to remember to put there first and last names down..
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by mescal » 07 Sep 2009 13:28

Back to te initial topic :

An article about Prinz Eugen at Bikini during Crossroads :
http://www.warship.org/no31990.htm

It's a part of an article from Warship International.
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by NASAFAN101 » 07 Sep 2009 17:01

mescal,
I had that story, its really good.. This talked about her fate after crossraods: THE CRUISER'S POST-NUCLEAR FATE
On 21 December 1946, defective sea valves caused flooding in the stern section. To prevent Prinz Eugen from sinking in the southern entrance and thus blocking Kwajalein lagoon, the Atoll Commander tried to tow her downwind to Enubuj Island, in order to beach her. Successful damage control was out of the question as the only salvage vessel, Conserver (ARS-30), had departed Kwajalein to aid a ship in distress some distance away. During the night the starboard list increased to over 35 degrees and, driven by the northerly wind, Prinz Eugen ran onto Enubuj reef and capsized. In the end she was the first relatively undamaged ship of the Bikini target fleet to succumb to underwater shock damage.

The wreck lay at an angle of 156 degrees from the vertical in an average depth of 65 feet about 200 yards off Enubuj Island, and made an angle of 40 degrees with the beach. Much of her bottom, the stern, rudder and the port and the center screws were exposed, and water depth to the edge of the upper deck at the bow was 110 ft. As she lay the cruiser presented a tempting sight to the Marshall islanders on Ebeye and Enubuj who were keen to salvage some or all of the wreck for its scrap value. A Department of the Interior request to transfer the wreck to the Trust Territories of the Pacific Islands for disposal was submitted to the Secretary of the Navy in late 1973. The US Navy, as owner of the wreck, accepted responsibility for conducting a survey to determine the radiological contamination of the vessel, and the identification of special hazards. High levels of radioactivity were not expected, but even low levels were unacceptable if the material was to be introduced into the world scrap market. Further, it was not known if luminous devices containing radium were used in Prinz Eugen as was customary in warships of the period. Any evidence that radium was present in the wreck would proscribe breaking up the ship as she lay since the radium would have to be purged prior to scrapping.

The monitoring operation took place in early April 1974 and was carried out by Harbor Clearance Unit One from Pearl Harbor. During the survey it was discovered that massive hull damage does exist on the port side, in the vicinity of the after engine room, the side plating is stove in for a depth of several feet; the main deck is buckled and the side plating is torn both vertically and horizontally. The damage extends over a length of more than 50 feet and is apparently at a location which would cause flooding of two of the 13 main watertight compartments. This leads to the conclusion that salvage by hauling the wreck upright and restoring buoyancy by pumping is possible, but it would be a monumental job. There is no question but that the cost of salvage in such a remote location of the world would far outweigh the scrap value of the ship. what do you guys think?
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by AdrianE » 30 Sep 2009 22:19

You can make out the wreck on Google maps.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... 4&t=h&z=17

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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by NASAFAN101 » 01 Oct 2009 01:13

Guys,
Ya, you can.. It's sad she did sank, she was such a pretty crusier and well always be..
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by mescal » 28 Sep 2011 16:00

Hello,

I came across a few blueprints of Prinz Eugen can be found on the dreadnought project website.
These are big files with a nice level of details.

link :
http://dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/KM_ ... ugen_1940/
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Post by tigre » 19 Sep 2018 01:24

Hello to all :D; more...............................

The Prinz Eugen in action.

Source: https://www.popscreen.com/prod/MTYzMDcz ... chiffe-uvm

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Larrister » 19 Sep 2018 09:20

Hi,

I have a small photo lot to a Artilleriemechaniker who served aboard Prinz Eugen. One photo shows a group photo with a cross above the Obergefreiter at back.
The on the reverse of the photo are the words written in green pencil: "Gefallen am 12.2.42 bei der ? im Kanal"

According to these two sites http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/scharnh ... berus.html and http://ww2db.com/ship_spec.php?ship_id=90 Prinz Eugen lost one man KIA on 12.2.42 due to attack by enemy aircraft during Operation Cerberus.

Here is his entry in the Volksbund Database...


Nachname: Kettermann
Vorname: Erich
Dienstgrad: Obergefreiter
Geburtsdatum: 22.09.1921
Geburtsort: Hamm
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 12.02.1942
Todes-/Vermisstenort: nicht verzeichnet

Erich Kettermann ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Brunsbüttelkoog.
Endgrablage: Block 4 Reihe 7 Grab 16

Thanks to Kevin H for the Volksbund information.

Could this be Obergefreiter Erich Kettermann in the photo?

Cheers,
Larry
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by tigre » 13 Oct 2018 22:57

Hello to all :D; more: The Prinz Eugen in action.
Source: https://www.popscreen.com/prod/MTYzMDcz ... chiffe-uvm
Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Liebe zum Pudding » 18 Nov 2018 15:22

-From page 90 of the second half of Siegfried Breyer's and Gerhard Koop's book Von der Emden zur Tirpitz:
"Prinz Eugen blieb übrigens das einzige große Kriegsschiff der Kriegsmarine, das von der Germania-Werft fertiggestellt werden konnte."

"Incidentally, the Prinz Eugen remained the only large warship of the Kriegsmarine which Germaniawerft was able to complete."

-From the same page, written in regards to the time during which she was still being outfitted:
"Obwohl der Krieg bereits nahezu ein Jahr alt war, hatte der Kreuzer noch den friedensmäßigen Farbanstrich erhalten."

"Although the war was already nearing a year old, the cruiser had still gotten the peace-time coloration."

-From page 91:
"Ursprünglich sollte Prinz Eugen die gleichen Abmessungen haben wie die beiden zuerst gebauten Kreuzer. Aber abweichend von diesen erhielt dieses Schiff andere, in ihren Betriebswerten etwas veränderte Kessel. Das machte es erforderlich, die Maschinenanlage und alle dazugehörenden Betriebsanlagen (Hilfsmaschinen) größer zu dimensionieren, und dies führte zu einem vermehrten Raumbedarf, dem im Endeffekt nur durch die Vergrößerung des Schiffes entsprochen werden konnte [...]"

"Originally, the Prinz Eugen should have had the same measurements as the two cruisers to come before her. However, in contrast to those two, she got different boilers, ones that had been somewhat changed in their operating values. This made it necessary to enlarge the dimensions for the facilities housing machinery, as well as their entailed operational facilities (ancillary machines), which in turn lead to an increased requirement in space. The end effect of all this was that accommodation was only doable through likewise enlarging the ship itself [...]"
"Die Furcht, aus Angst Falsches zu sagen, keine Antwort zu geben, muß beschämender sein als eine unrichtig gegebene Antwort."

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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by hucks216 » 18 Nov 2018 20:01

Commanding Officer of USS Prinz Eugen (IX/300) in April 1946 was Captain Arthur H Graubart.
(Source: Document in a friends collection)

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Post by Liebe zum Pudding » 19 Nov 2018 15:54

Page 96 of the aforementioned book tells that during Operation Zauberflöte, after the Prinz Eugen had gotten makeshift repairs done in Lofjord,

"daß der Kreuzer sieben Tage später auf dem Rückmarsch in die Heimat einem schweren Angriff zahlreicher britischer Torgedoflugzeuge widerstand, dabei einer größeren Anzahl von Torpedos auswich und selbst sieben der Angriefer abschießen konnte, ohne selbst Schaden zu nehmen."

"that seven days later, the cruiser withstood a large attack by numerous British torpedo bombers on the way back home, during which she evaded a large number of torpedoes and was even able to disable seven of the attackers without taking any damage herself."
"Die Furcht, aus Angst Falsches zu sagen, keine Antwort zu geben, muß beschämender sein als eine unrichtig gegebene Antwort."

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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by tigre » 08 Dec 2018 00:43

Hello to all :D; more: The Prinz Eugen in action - Visit of the Commander in Chief of the Fleet (Flottenchef).
Source: https://www.popscreen.com/prod/MTYzMDcz ... chiffe-uvm
Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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