Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Liebe zum Pudding » 09 Dec 2018 15:34

I've read now in only two sources (Von der Emden zur Tirpitz and an entry in a magazine series on WWII warships that was written by one of the crew members of the Prinz Eugen) that the US navy had originally intended on fully bringing the ship into service for them should she have made it through Operation Crossroads. The magazine (the name of which I forget and unfortunately do not have with me right now) unambiguously claims this, while the book I have words it as follows, saying that after she was found to be far more radioactive than anticipated:

Die Absicht, den Kreuzer wieder in Dienst zu stellen, mußte daher zunächst aufgegeben werden [...]

"The intention of placing the cruiser into service again had to, for the time being, be given up due to this [...]"
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by tigre » 15 Apr 2019 14:46

Hello to all :D; more...............................

The Prinz Eugen in Brest.

Source: https://picclick.de/Foto-Kriegsschiff-P ... id=1&pid=1

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by HR715 » 23 Feb 2020 10:10

I read recently Prinz Eugen was strictly not a "Hipper Class Cruiser" but a "Prinz Eugen Class", some subtle differences in the ships.
Would anyone have the names of the men killed when the command centre was destroyed in the bombing raid of July 1941 ,?
I have some photos of the funerals of the 60 odd men killed, will add them this afternoon.

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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by HR715 » 23 Feb 2020 10:30

Photos taken,the burial of crewmembers killin the July 1941 bombing.
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Liebe zum Pudding » 23 Feb 2020 11:40

HR715 wrote:
23 Feb 2020 10:10
I read recently Prinz Eugen was strictly not a "Hipper Class Cruiser" but a "Prinz Eugen Class", some subtle differences in the ships.
Would anyone have the names of the men killed when the command centre was destroyed in the bombing raid of July 1941 ,?
I have some photos of the funerals of the 60 odd men killed, will add them this afternoon.
Oh? That's interesting, I've never heard of this distinction before! I suppose that is meant to be an after-the-fact designation to reflect the fact that the Prinz Eugen was significantly larger than her sisters?
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by HR715 » 23 Feb 2020 17:28

Yes , one of the terms "Hipper Class" that I too had become comfortable with and used to.
This book made me think , but PE, Seydlitz and Lutzow were designed to be longer , eider and heavier (by 500 tons) with variations in boiler types and turbines installed and some minor variations in 10.5 cm guns.
Antonio Bonomi , author of the Tirpitz books confirmed this difference within the Heavy cruiser classes.
( The Polish authored book does indicate a differnce but does not explain the differences between them really clearly - Whitney seems to do the reverse the differences are well explained but tend to get intermingled but the two different classes of ship seem not to be made).
Koope and Schmolke class all as being "Hipper Class" in the "Heavy Cruisers of the Admiral Hipper Class" (Greenhill and NIP).
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Liebe zum Pudding » 24 Feb 2020 04:22

Hm. I suppose it does make sense to distinguish a subclass, given those facts. I wonder how widespread this idea is.
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by tigre » 27 Jun 2020 03:24

Hello to all :D; more...............................

Officers of the Prinz Eugen 1941.

Later Johann Reckhoff was Commander of U 398 as Korvettenkapitän between 18.12.1943 and 08.11.1944.

Source: https://www.ebay.at/itm/Foto-Kaptitan-B ... :rk:1:pf:0
http://www.u-historia.com/uhistoria/his ... 8/u398.htm

Any idea about Stülpnagel? Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Tic Tac » 26 Aug 2021 11:57

Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen
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Post by Tic Tac » 28 Aug 2021 11:36

more photos
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Liebe zum Pudding » 28 Aug 2021 12:22

Thank you for both your posts, Tic Tac. I especially love the photos in the first one! I'm happy to see that someone took a picture of the written permission to fly the Austo-Hungarian battle ensign. Do you happen to have captions for these photos or otherwise know exactly when they were taken and what they're photos of?
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Tic Tac » 28 Aug 2021 13:06

Hello my dear pudding,
thank you for your message.
The photos come from a former crew member of the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen. According to my assumption, the photos are from a PK man and were then offered for sale to crew members. I am trying to upload more photos, there are also photos of the heavy cruiser Bismark.
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Tic Tac » 28 Aug 2021 13:17

Hi there,
Unfortunately, the photos are not labeled. On other Internet portals you can find some of these photos with labels.
The photo with the signatures of Hitler, Keitel and Raeder is interesting.
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by Tic Tac » 28 Aug 2021 13:46

....more photos and fleet association
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Re: Let's Build: Schwerer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

Post by tigre » 06 Aug 2022 22:41

Hello to all :D; a query about #53 by tigre » 27 Jun 2020 03:24......................

Prinz Eugen's officers 1941 - Stülpnagel!

In the book Heavy Cruisers of the Admiral Hipper Class: Warships of the Kriegsmarine. Gerhard Koop, Klaus-Peter Schmolke in pag 153 there is a photo about Lütjens' visit showing the Watch Officer, Oblt.z.S. von Stülpnagel, but in the HMA Crewlisten 2. Weltkrieg I could not find this officer. Any idea? TIA. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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