Arado Ar 196 of Kreuzer Prinz Eugen

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Post by Jan-Erik » 25 Apr 2004, 20:54

[quote="Aziraphale"]Jan-Erik,

Any chance you could give your references?

Thanks, Azi.[/quote]

Sure
From M.J. Whitleys "German capital ships of WWII"
Bismarck´s Arados on page 148
Scharnhorst´s on pages 108 and 128
and Admiral Sheer´s on page 130,and T3+EK on page 187

and from M.J.Whitleys "German cruisers of WWII"
Admiral Hipper pages 105 and 106
Prinz Eugen page 155

Tirpitz were found on http://www.bismarck-class.dk/technicall ... plans.html

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Arado 196 on Prinz Eugen

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Post by brustcan » 25 Apr 2004, 21:17

varjag wrote:
Aziraphale wrote:varjag,

Where do you take this from? I'd be interested in knowing your sources.

Cheers, Azi.
There was a litania of complaints about the seaworthiness of the Ar 196 - not least from the HK - who lacked catapults, about landing damages, hairy take-off attempts - and failed take-off attempts. Seems to have centred around a high wing-loading, long take-off run to get airborne, too high landing speed and 'totally unsuited for operations on the high seas...' (Capt. Weyher/ HK ORION) The RN/USN/IJN 'blue water' navies focussed on single-float designs, Walrus/Grumman J2F/Nakajima E8N - all low performance biplanes - but far more seaworthy than the Arados. In fact HK ORION operated for some time a Japanese E8N in the Pacific before another Arado was supplied from Germany and was found to be 'far more suitable' than the German design.
The Kriegsmarine and RLM in 1936 were disappointed
in the perfromance of the Heinkel 114 float plane, and give the new
specifications to Arado and Focke Wulf. After checking the designs on
paper, four prototype Arados and two Focke Wulfs were ordered. Both
Focke Wulf 62's had a single float, with stabilising floats at the wingtips.
The Arado V1 and V2 had twin floats, and the V3 and V4 had single
central float, with wingtip floats. All aircraft were evaluated at Travemunde in 1937-38. It was found that the single float was preferable
in operations from real choppy water, the disadvantage being that the
wing stabilising floats would dip into the sea during takeoff, resulting in
drag and problems of keeping the aircraft in a straight line. The twin
float was considered the better of the two, and the other two prototypes
were converted to twin floats. The German pilots on receiving their new
float planes, found the handling superb both on water and in the air.
Thanks brustcan


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Codes on Prinz Eugen Arados

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Post by brustcan » 25 Apr 2004, 21:28

Jan-Erik wrote:Hi

Do you know where one might find out the aircrafts codes on the planes carried by different ships?

As far as i have found out:
Bismarck carried: T3+AK, T3+DL, T3+IH and T3+MJ
Tirpitz carried: BB+YF, T3+BL, T3+DL, T3+GK, T3+HK, T3+LH and T3+LK
Scharnhorst: T3+DH, T3+EH, and T3?+FM
Gniesenau:?
Admiral Sheer: T3+BH
Admiral Graf Spee:?
Deutschland/Lützow:?
Prinz Eugen: T3+KH, T3+MH, T3+CH
Admiral Hipper: T3+DH, T3+HK and T3+MH who was sunk when damaged
Blücher:?

HSK1 Orion:?
HSK4 Thor:?
HSK5 Pinguin:?
HSK6 Stier:?
HSK7 Komet:?
HSK8 Kormoran:?
HSK9 Michel:?

Regards/Jan-Erik
Hi just looking at the codes you listed for the
Prinz Eugens Arado's, I have two pictures of Arados onboard the Prinz
Eugen with codes T3+OH and after the ship was handed over to the Americans, one with GA+DX. It must be assumed that when aircraft
were lost or damaged, they were replaced with aircraft that had not
the normal codes for a "ship" but had been strictly land based. Thanks
brustcan

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Post by Erik E » 25 Apr 2004, 23:09

I remember someone tried to sort out this a few years ago....Without luck.

Several units were used onboard these ships, and they would be switched from time to time. The conclution back then was that no particular code "belonged" to any ship. Planes with the same codes can be seen on photos from different ships, so obviously, they changed.

Erik

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Post by varjag » 26 Apr 2004, 11:58

To Jan - Eriks question of 24.4. - there were more than Arado 196's involved with the HK's. At least two carried Heinkel 114 sesqui-planes (Atlantis was one ?) and the KOMET carried two of the totally useless Arado 231's which suggest a desperate shortage of suitable aircraft when the HK's were prepared for sea. As for Id-codes of these aircraft I have no idea.

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Post by Jan-Erik » 26 Apr 2004, 19:01

An interesting aircraft, this Arado 196.
As only 500+ of them were built, it woud´nt be impossible to create a list of them with werksnummer, date of delivery, unit, aircraft code and fate.

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Post by Aziraphale » 26 Apr 2004, 19:11

Now that's something that makes me smile... ;)
Good idea. I've started to do exactly that for the He 219 - perhaps someone could take it up for the Ar 196.

Azi.

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Post by Erich » 27 Apr 2004, 01:54

maybe this will get somebodies interest going...........

http://www.ww2.dk/misc/ar196.htm

good luck to whomever. A fun project I feel

Erich

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